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General => Frauds => Topic started by: E.P. Grondine on February 27, 2013, 06:35:43 am
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http://www.theparacast.com/podcast/now-playing-february-24-2012-ardy-sixkiller-clarke/
Oh boy, "Ancient Aliens", the new package for "NuAge" nonsense.
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Dr. Ardy Sixkiller Clarke, a Professor Emeritus at Montana State University, has dedicated her life and career to working with indigenous populations. She has been adopted and given traditional names by three Northern Plains tribes including the Blackfeet (Woman with Great Knowledge), the Northern Cheyenne (Walks all Woman) and the Lakota Sioux (Woman who Helps People).
While retired from academia, she continues to work as a consultant to American Indian tribes and indigenous communities worldwide and is currently working on a second volume of work about the indigenous people of Mexico and the Star People.
http://www.sixkiller.com/ (http://www.sixkiller.com/)
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In the past she ran "World's Indigenous Women's Foundation":
"If you consider our struggle a part of your own survival, then you are welcome here."
This site was founded by Ardy Sixkiller Clarke, an American Indian author, university administrator/professor and an advocate/activist for the rights of indigenous women world-wide. You are invited to examine this site, contribute articles and testimony, and review the news related to indigenous women and women in third world countries. Men of goodwill, committed to the struggle of indigenous women, are invited to interact and collaborate with us in an effort to implement a global agenda for the rights of women of all ages throughout the world.
Ardy Sixkiller Clarke, 6/30/99
This from 2005 archived copy of sixkiller.com
She's asked directly if she is NDN here, she replies that she is but "not a full blood".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfD9kJJ6j_k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfD9kJJ6j_k)
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Her former name was Ardy Bowker. She did some notable respected work on education, studying dropouts. Professor Emeritus is commonly the title given to a retired professor with a long career at one institution.
It's odd that she always says NDN but never which tribe, and even odder that she would make a point of claiming adoption by three different tribes. (For newcomers and outsiders, it's long established that tribes don't adopt, only individuals and families.)
Her UFO book seems to be mostly NDNs today describing UFO encounters, not oral traditions about star people as the book title suggests. And really, should it be a surprise that NDNs are not exempt from the UFO phenomena.
If Clarke really wanted NDN accounts of aliens to gain credibility for the study of UFOs, I can't think of a worser way to go about it. What you'd want to do is bring these accounts to the attention of scholars, historians, physicists, psychoanalysts. The last thing you'd do is go to UFO conferences. That is, unless your aim was to make money as a speaker, or receive the acclaim of UFO devotees.
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For me from what I know now, her prior work on UFO encounters and her understanding of them in Lakota terms is a matter between her and the Lakota elders, though I would like to read more research.
What is really worrisome to me is her taking on Mayan materials without talking to Maya elders. And I am very worried that she will be sharing her understanding of Hopi, Navaho, and Zuni traditions in the same manner.
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Past bio:
Clarke, Ardy
Dr. Ardy Bowker is an associate professor of educational leadership and the director for Bilingual/Multicultural Education at Montana State University in Bozeman, Montana. She is currently working on a novel entitled After the Spirit is Gone. Dr. Bowker, of Eastern Cherokee heritage, and her husband, Lakota Sioux artist Louis Bowker, live in Belgrade, Montana.
http://www.montana.edu/wwwgenl/clarkea.htm (http://www.montana.edu/wwwgenl/clarkea.htm)
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In 2006 Ardy Clarke on a genealogy message board asked for help researching a grandmother born in Kentucky.
I am trying to prove that she was a Cherokee Indian.
It was my great grandfather that was Indian. I do not know about my great grandmother. Grandma always talked about her father.
http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.fayette/3364.1.1/mb.ashx (http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.kentucky.counties.fayette/3364.1.1/mb.ashx)
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So it looks like Ardy Clarke grew up hearing stories that she had NDN heritage through a grandmother, specifically through that grandmother's father. Clarke in 2006 posted about this on genealogy forums, didn't yet know names of many ancestors, and believed the family stories were true.
That branch of her family can be looked over via census, they are listed as white in 1910 & 1920. They aren't on the 1924 Baker Roll.
Wonder where the Sixkiller came from. One of Ardy Clarke's past interviewers commented that she obviously was NDN because of that middle name.
She has been adopted and given traditional names by three Northern Plains tribes including the Blackfeet (Woman with Great Knowledge), the Northern Cheyenne (Walks all Woman) and the Lakota Sioux (Woman who Helps People).
Adoption Ceremonies: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1294.0 (http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1294.0)
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Wonder where the Sixkiller came from
(Raises hand) I know I know!! In the early 1970's, there was a quarterback on the University of Washington football team named Sonny Sixkiller. He was a fullblood from CNO, but raised in Ashland Oregon. Sonny is still around. He never made it big in football, but he is on my tv every night telling me why I should visit the Seven Cedars Casino and golf course.;) SIxkiller, apparently isn't that uncommon a name in Oklahoma. Well, if you are CNO. I went to the UW when he played. But never met him as he only hung with the jocks.
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Wasn't there someone here on NAFPS with the last name of Sixkiller?? I could be worng. ???
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What an Insult to Sam Sixkiller, the first Lawman of the indian nation and of Oklahoma and the rest of us.
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Correction, not Indian nation, but Indian territory,
Sam Sixkiller (1842–December 24, 1886) was a prominent Native American leader during the American Civil War and the postbellum period.
Biography
Sixkiller was born in the Going Snake district of the Cherokee Nation in Indian Territory—now Adair County, Oklahoma. He served on both sides during the Civil War, offering his support to the Confederacy as a private in the 1st Cherokee Cavalry before switching allegiance to the Union and serving with his father at Fort Gibson in an artillery battery.
Following the war, he became the first captain of the Indian Police, providing police services for the lands of all five tribes. He was also a Deputy U.S. Marshal and a special agent for the Missouri Pacific Railroad.
Sixkiller was murdered December 24, 1886, in Muskogee, Indian Territory.
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Well, she's on tv:
http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2013/06/episode-922-mysterious-universe/ (http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2013/06/episode-922-mysterious-universe/)
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A recent return to the Paracast and a new book:
Dr. Ardy Sixkiller Clarke returns to the Paracast to talk about her new book, "Sky People: Untold Stories of Alien Encounters in Mesoamerica." According to the publisher's notes, Ardy vowed as a teenager to follow in the footsteps of two 19th-century explorers, John L. Stephens and Frederick Catherwood, who were among the first to bring the ancient Maya cities to the world's attention. She finally set out on her seven-year adventure in 2003 and traveled through Belize, Honduras, Guatemala, and Mexico, collecting stories of encounters, sky gods, giants, little people, and aliens among the indigenous Maya. She drove more than 12,000 miles, visiting 89 archaeological sites and conducted nearly 100 individual interviews. We'll present some of the most fascinating tales during this episode.
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A recent return to the Paracast and a new book:
The quoted text in the previous post serves as an introduction to this podcast on YouTube (audio only, length 2:39:34):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mufpGVKAFC8 [The Paracast: December 21, 2014 — Dr. Ardy Sixkiller Clarke]
A more recent update. Dr. Ardy Sixkiller Clarke is now "Cherokee/Choctaw":
https://www.collective-evolution.com/2019/05/07/indigenous-elder-shares-story-about-the-star-people-that-crashed-on-his-reservation/
IN BRIEF
• The Facts: Dr. Ardy Sixkiller Clarke, a Professor Emeritus at Montana State University who is Cherokee/Choctaw has been researching the Star People, and collecting encounters between them and Native Indians for many years. This article shares one of many.
• Reflect On: Are we alone? If not, what are the implications when the public becomes fully aware of this? How will it change the way we look at reality? Science? Technology? History?
I recently came across the work of Dr. Ardy Sixkiller Clarke, who brings to the field of ufology degrees in history, English, psychology, and educational leadership and a background as a teacher, university professor, junior college and university administrator, licensed therapist and psychologist, and social science researcher. She is a Professor Emeritus at Montana State University and former Director of the Center for Bilingual/Multicultural Education. Dr. Clarke, who is Cherokee/Choctaw, has worked with indigenous people for most of her career, and has some amazing stories to tell.
The whole article is essentially excerpts from this book:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1933665726/
[ENCOUNTERS WITH STAR PEOPLE: Untold Stories of American Indians]
Fun Fact: On Facebook I found a private group with one member, with the aim of translating that book into German:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/521483465289356/
[gemeinsam ein Buch von Ardy Sixkiller Clarke ins Deutsche übersetzen]
(https://scontent.fosl3-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69634817_10156551072995677_5352954333849714688_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_sid=825194&_nc_ohc=gJm8QPeZXC8AX-edNZg&_nc_ht=scontent.fosl3-2.fna&oh=b7decc6e6f304b6d2c52ac2ff4fab06a&oe=5F99C467)
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Got a request about her. Has anyone done her genealogy? She now claims Choctaw as well as Cherokee.
There are some interesting reviews of her book.
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https://www.amazon.com/product-reviews/1933665726/ref=acr_dp_hist_2?ie=UTF8&filterByStar=two_star&reviewerType=all_reviews#reviews-filter-bar
"Coffee Klatching the Aliens"
Reviewed in the United States on September 9, 2013
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I try to avoid leaving negative reviews, but sometimes a book is so off-the-mark that it really needs to be flagged. I have a semi-professional interest in anthropological and socio-psychological aspects of so-called UFO phenomena. I purchased this book on AMAZON expecting a detailed account of ancient Star Elder myths (much like Jacques Valee & Chris Aubeck's WONDERS IN THE SKY). If that is what you are looking for, better keep looking; this book isn't it.
Be advised that this book relates almost exclusively incidents from the post-WWII to early-2000 period collected by the author while she apparently coffee-klatched her way around the reservations while on holiday from the Univ. of Montana. The only "mythic" material presented here are some vague allusions to how "Our Elders once knew the Star People" and similar off-hand generalizations.
People already familiar with published UFO lore will find nothing new in this book. In fact, much of the material seems to be merely so much rehash of classic cases, like the Betty and Barney Hill "missing time" incident of 1961 (better told in INTERRUPTED JOURNEY), and stories that quite frankly appear to be thinly disguised reiterations of certain plot elements from TWILIGHT ZONE and OUTER LIMITS episodes, films like INVASION OF THE BODY SNATCHERS, and other well-circulated science-fiction stories in the wider public domain. Even the book's title ("ENCOUNTERS...") seems frankly derivative.
After reading the first three or four chapters, the monotonous regularity of the presentation, plodding quality of the prose style, and lack of memorable details in many of the recounted stories made the book a real effort to endure. (The author assures us she has at least a couple more books-worth of such collected material...onerous news at best.) Sadly, only one or two of the recounted incidents exhibit the uncanny hallmark of "high strangeness" which [the late] Dr. J. Allen Hynek identified as typifying the best "authentic" UFO encounters. In short, the presented material here is so bland that it actually becomes quite boring to read.
The book's back cover bio identifies the author as "a noted researcher" (a quick Google check revealed she is primarily a children's book author). Not surprisingly, the author's data gathering methodology, which involved presenting gift bags of groceries and/or cartons of cigarettes to her interview subjects and/or meeting them for lunch(!) doesn't strike the proper tone for how a real "noted researcher" conducts serious field interviews (..."Hey, aren't you the lady collecting stories for a book?"). Researcher bias, as you might expect under such circumstances, becomes a significant issue that contaminates the data.
Most significantly, there is no serious discussion of the reliability of her witnesses (some of whom even leave the distinct impression of having enjoyed putting-one-over on the Professor). The fact that so many of her interviews end with the note that "only [n]-months following this interview the subject unexpectedly passed-away" does nothing to inspire confidence in the data. Nor is there any examination of competing/prevailing scholarly interpretations of the phenomena; Six-Killer Clarke simply hasn't done her homework. At one point the author even makes the embarrassing mistake of confusing "psychopath" with "sociopath", an error that any undergrad Psych-major would know enough to avoid. Most laughably, one female subject [supposedly a former Air Force tech] who claimed to be a half-alien hybrid, lifted her blouse to show the author that her navel was missing. One can only ponder how that subject managed to sneak that one past the USAF's DOdMERB examiners during her service physicals!
In my opinion this book contributes virtually nothing of substantive research value to the serious study of UFO-related mythical lore as recounted by Native American persons from different tribal/language groups (i.e., diverse American Indians). Some readers (mostly younger, I suspect) may find the book has some minimal entertainment value. For that reason I gave the book two stars, mainly out of pity.
Somewhat Interesting But Not Credible, Has Inconsistencies
Reviewed in the United States on March 20, 2014
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...If you're looking for "credible", this is not the book. I am not explicitly stating that the stories told by the author are absolutely not true. However, it's a fact that the author is presenting no evidence whatsoever to support her thesis. Without any evidence, these stories are just what they are: stories. Might be and might not be true. Who knows? Anyone can write a good story, but not everyone can assert the story and support it with credible evidence. I personally strongly believe in the existence of intelligent beings on other planets in the Universe - it would be a statistical IMPOSSIBILITY for other intelligent life in the Universe (besides human beings) NOT TO exist. (For anyone interested, I strongly suggest Carl Sagan's book "Cosmos" - which is a masterpiece in itself.) I understand the author's obligation of keeping the identity of her study subjects anonymous. But that is primarily what makes me doubt the authenticity of these stories. If she has no evidence, and no one can ever know the identities of these people, how can anyone ever believe any of her stories? Sorry, just not enough evidence for me. What I found particularly disturbing and incredulous is that - somehow - the subjects were able to VERBALLY communicate with the extra-terrestrials in a manner of a regular conversation. Please. What are the ODDS of the ET's speaking the subjects' language? What are the ODDS of an ET from a remote world, completely different from our own, who can actually speak any Earth language? That is - in fact - a statistical impossibility. So once again, it's an interesting book, but not a very credible one. As I've moved further and further into the next, and the next story, I've noticed many "lesser" inconsistencies throughout the book, which convinced me even more that there is a serious possibility that the author had made up these stories. Here is an EXPLICIT EXAMPLE: If you go to page 33 (The story of Ross meeting a small alien in an Alaskan blizzard), the author states that the name of Ross's driving partner is "BILL". Now, if you flip to page 36, she changes Ross's driving partner name to "ED". So is it BILL or ED? She also once reffers to the subject as "Russ" and not "Ross". So is it RUSS or ROSS? These kinds of little things, ya know. And it's usually the "little things that give you away". Please don't fall for these stories, and read a real UFO book instead.
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I think she's dead. I read somewhere she died in 2021??
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I believe that "Ardy Sixkiller Clarke" was born Ardys Annastine Chambers in West Virginia.
Parents of Ardys Annastine Chambers
George Franklin Chambers
B: 27 Mar 1908 - Belpre, Washington, Ohio, USA
D: 18 Apr 1989 - West Virginia, USA
Geneva Lorraine Crouse
B: 8 Jul 1923 - Boomer, Fayette, West Virginia, USA
D: 8 Oct 2006 - Beckley, Raleigh, West Virginia, USA
Find a Grave - George Franklin Chambers: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/31880785/george-franklin-chambers
Find a Grave - Geneva Lorraine (Crouse) Chambers: https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/32071532/geneva_chambers
In 1965, Ardys Annastine Chambers married Phillip Dale Clarke in West Virginia.
West Virginia, U.S., Marriages Index, 1785-1971
Name...................Ardys Annastine Chambers
Gender.................Female
Spouse's Name......Phillip Dale Clarke
Spouse Gender......Male
Marriage Date.......1965
Marriage Place.......Marshall, West Virginia, United States
Records show Ardys remarried at least two more times. Her name was recorded as "Ardys Sixkiller Clarke" in 1995 and 2000. It would appear that Ardys legally added Sixkiller to her name either as part of her divorce proceedings or through separate legal action. She went by the name Bowker at another point in time.
Nevada, U.S., Marriage Index, 1956-2005
Name...............................Ardys Sixkiller Clarke
Gender.............................Female
Residence State.................Montana
Spouse.............................Hasari Tosun
Spouse Residence State......Montana
Marriage Date...................18 Jul 1995
Marriage County................Washoe
Recorded Date..................19 Jul 1995
Recorded city....................Reno
Nevada, U.S., Marriage Index, 1956-2005
Name......................Ardys Sixkiller Clarke
Gender....................Female
Spouse...................Cyprian Jorgos Szczygiel
Marriage Date..........25 Jun 2000
Marriage County.......Clark
Officiant type...........Religious celebrant
Recorded Date.........29 Jun 2000
Recorded county.......Clark
Sixkiller is commonly known to be a Cherokee surname. Ardys choosing to use that name professionally, without a family connection, is a red flag.
Sixkiller Surname Information Link: https://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=sixkiller
Based on a quick look at Ardy's genealogy and the name change red flag, my money is on her not being Native American. Photos of Ardys Chambers from the 1962 West Virginia University Institute of Technology yearbook and Ardy Sixkiller Clarke are attached for comparison.