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Research Needed / Re: John Somosi
« Last post by Sparks on August 01, 2025, 04:30:27 pm »
Quote from: Sparks on July 31, 2025, 04:31:34 pm
The Metis Nation of Ontario has been mentioned in three earlier comments (both pro and con) in the NAFPS forum.

They maintain a comprehensive web site: https://www.metisnation.org/

They are also on: • Twitter  • Facebook  • Instagram  • LinkedIn  • YouTube. See links at bottom of their website.

Maybe this large group should be invetigated in a separate topic?

A new topic has been created: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=5731.0 [Metis Nation of Ontario]
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Frauds / Re: Gary Adler AKA Gary FourStar & Many Horses Foundation
« Last post by educatedindian on August 01, 2025, 01:35:02 am »
Got a report that Adler is still ceremony selling in Colorado. Online search shows he's based in Manco, CO. The account describes him recruiting followers in Georgia to go to his ceremony selling in CO. This is deliberately done during the coldest part of winter and includes prolonged fasting to make them more suggestible.

He has four phony profiles on Linkedin, all as Fourstar. Reported them and urge others to do so.

He also was the producer for a series Apocalyptic Survival. If you find his photo he's a dead ringer for Uncle Jesse on Dukes of Hazzard. It's a wonder how anyone thought he was NDN, much less an elder.
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Research Needed / Re: John Somosi
« Last post by Sandy S on August 01, 2025, 01:18:24 am »
Regarding his maternal side:

Pearl (Lizotte) Somosi is his mother. Back about 5 generations on an unsourced family tree on familysearch.org there are claims to Red River connections and prior to that France.

I don't know if John Somosi can legitimately claim a Métis identity and citizenship.

John Somosi refers to himself as a "mutt".

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Research Needed / Re: John Somosi
« Last post by Sandy S on August 01, 2025, 12:56:15 am »
According to a family tree on familysearch.org his father was born in Hungary.

Istavan (Steve) Somosi

Birth: 22 March 1935
Bolyok, Borsod, Hungary
Death: 25 September 2016
Saskatoon, Saskatchewan, Canada
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Research Needed / Re: John Somosi
« Last post by Sandy S on August 01, 2025, 12:09:32 am »
Correction on his mother's birth name, it is Lizotte.

John Somosi's maternal grandparents:

Joseph Xavier Lizotte https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/65018689/joseph_xavier-lizotte
Laura Clara (Desjarlais) Lizotte https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/65018687/laura_clara-lizotte
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Research Needed / Re: John Somosi
« Last post by Sandy S on August 01, 2025, 12:05:14 am »
His partner or wife is Kathryn Edgecomb.

In his mother's obit he is Johnnie Albert Christopher Somosi. Father's name Steve Somosi. Mother's surname Dejariais.

Pearl Lizotte Somosi https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/219353823/pearl-somosi
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Research Needed / Re: John Somosi
« Last post by Sandy S on July 31, 2025, 11:55:03 pm »
Sometimes his surname is spelled "Samosi".

Personally, I think he is a nut, an unsafe one. I don't think anyone should be doing ceremony with him.

In this 2021 video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WH1V79s6Fzo  he says he is "part Plains Cree". That he asked to get a traditional name and was told to go home for that, he drove 20-28 hours home and found someone that gave out names.

He says that burning hot rocks tend to jump up onto his lap during sweat lodge ceremonies.

From the video transcript at 38:21 - "well uh being metis which is a mixed blood or a mutt uh...".

He describes having panic attacks, "spiritual burn out", and that his "warrior society family" and "Sundance family" have to regularly help put him "back together".


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Research Needed / Re: Metis Nation of Ontario
« Last post by debbieredbear on July 31, 2025, 08:27:34 pm »
I think they do merit their own thread. Apparently,  many of their members have no Indigenous ancestry. Also, having Indigenous ancestry does not mean a person is Metis. Metis is a very specific identity, rooted historically with French and Scottish fur traders who married Chippewa and Cree women. But that's not all. There are also ties to the Red River area and followers of Lois Riel. My late husband's father fit all the criteria,  even though he was enrolled in the Turtle Mountain Chippewa tribe in North Dakota. That's how I got on the Metis Families Facebook page.
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Research Needed / Re: Metis Nation of Ontario
« Last post by Sparks on July 31, 2025, 07:14:36 pm »
Quote from: Sandy S on July 30, 2025, 06:11:23 pm
(discussion on the Metis Nation of Ontario https://www.tvo.org/article/what-is-the-metis-nation-of-ontario-and-why-is-it-so-controversial)

A long and thorough 2023 article with several illuminating clckable links. I couldn't find anything better on the topic.

About the entity that published the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TVO
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TVO (stylized in all lowercase as tvo), formerly known as TVOntario, is a Canadian publicly funded English-language educational television network and media organization serving the Canadian province of Ontario.
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Research Needed / Re: John Somosi
« Last post by Sparks on July 31, 2025, 04:31:34 pm »
Quote from: debbieredbear on July 31, 2025, 01:05:09 am
I'm in a Facebook group called Metis Families, started by the late Gail Morin. Gail was a genealogist (and married to my late husband's cousin) who wrote many many books on Metis people.  The consensus of the group is that the Metis Nation of Ontario is that they are pretendians. Their genealogies don't show any relationship to Metis people.  Metis people in Canada are a pretty specific bunch.

My bolding. The Metis Nation of Ontario has been mentioned in three earlier comments (both pro and con) in the NAFPS forum.

They maintain a comprehensive web site: https://www.metisnation.org/

They are also on: • Twitter  • Facebook  • Instagram  • LinkedIn  • YouTube. See links at bottom of their website.

Maybe this large group should be invetigated in a separate topic?

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