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Will Rockingbear and Earth Green Medicine Lodge
« on: December 19, 2009, 02:35:27 am »
Another request. Rockingbear is a ceremony seller who claims to be Eastern Band Cherokee.  If true, the photo in the links shows an obviously pretty low BQ. But more importantly there's no sign of any actual Cherokee traditions in what he claims, just faux Lakota knockoffs for pagans.

To our requester, it's pretty obvious they are frauds in the sense of being exploiters and ceremony sellers and not being at least part of what they claim. But for the sake of research we generally start off in Research Needed.

http://www.ritesofpassagecouncil.com/circlerockingbear.htm

They sell vision quests and sweatlodges in Ireland for up to four grand a pop. Also sell them in North Carolina.

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Sliding Scale Cost: $1200 - $3700. You place yourself on the scale. Includes all food, activities, and lodging.
Non-refundable Deposit: $300
Unused deposit can be used toward another program within the year. Guides: Kedar Brown
To Register/Receive Details: Online Contact Kedar by email or phone, preferably, 2 months before program start date.

To read our Asheville, NC Men's Healing Encampment with SweatLodge Ceremony & Vision Quest Ceremony Brochure, click: http://www.RitesofPassageCouncil.com/2009mvisionquest.pdf

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Women's Vision Quest Ceremony Brochure(NC)

Sliding Scale Cost: $1200 - $3700. You place yourself on the scale. Includes all food, activities, and lodging.
Non-refundable Deposit: $300
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His wife Zoe also sells what she claims are Mayan astrology readings.

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Re: Will Rockingbear and Earth Green Medicine Lodge
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2009, 02:47:24 am »
Seems WR was involved in sending a message he falsely claimed was Hopi.

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http://www.jcrows.com/HopiElders.html
Now we have an interesting reply to the contents of the above "Hopi Message"

          Subject:Re: message
     Date:
          Sat, 22 Mar 2003 15:07:21 +0100
     From:
          IntuitivesAtmen@t-online.de (Karl Scherer)
 Reply-To:
          garuda@serve.com
       To:
          garuda@serve.com
 
Dear Friends,

as the Hopi tradition is  probably the oldest  existing oral tradition on
Turtle Island claiming the same incredible amount of historical lineage as
does  BON, and having visited and studied with Hopi Elders in the seventies
as well as talked at length with Lopon Tenzin Namdak on significant
similiarities both in teaching as well as ritual in the Native American and
BON traditions, I feel inclined to comment on this "message" :

 It is  as highly unlikely that this mesage - nice as it sounds -
originates from the Hopis, as it  was unlikely  that H.H. the Dalai Lama
was the source for the 3rd re-emergence of the new age
"nepali-good-luck-tantra" on the internet.
As a matter of fact this "message"  seems to originate from an Cherokee
elder named Will Rockingbear otherwise not noted as a spiritual Leader
amongst Native Americans and seems inconsistent with authentic statements
made by HOPI Lineageholders themselves except for the first
6 possibly 9 lines of the  "message". Otherwise it seems at best a well
meant but strongly edited and synthesized amalgam with line number 10
>10) DO NOT LOOK OUTSIDE YOURSELF FOR THE LEADER. <
already contradicting Hopibeliefs  in the  value and the sagacity of  the
leadership of their Spiritual Elders.
 Additionally Hopis are not inclined to authorize Native Americans of other
tribes as their spokesmen simply because almost all of them have resorted
to war in the past, whereas Hopis are bound by their vows to never resort
to violence. According to Hopibeliefs to truely be a HOPI you have to
undergo at least a 12 year course of intense initiations,retreats and
ritual practices and then prove your unnderstanding in  action for  at
least a few more decades before being capable of repesenting the
teachings.........

The  "message" appears to be a part of the partially well meant yet in
effect destructive , but ongoing re-design and appropriation that many
ancient and authentic traditions suffer from  attempts made by the dominant
culture to "fit for our modern world" .
In fact it downplays and contradicts in part the powerful spirtual message
the Hopi tradition has to offer to the world.
In this and in many other respects  it shows the same tragic pattern in the
fate of Tibetans and Native Americans, being marginalized in their own
countries and facing ongoing genocide - both physical and spiritual - by
the hands of their invaders.

So as most people on this newsletter are both U.S.citizens and  followers
of BON - being another tradition facing extinction in its homeland -  I
apologize to take your time to draw your attention to such issues as the
one at hand.
Small as it may seem it shows that even in such small issues core spiritual
beliefs are excerpted, taken out of context and reframed to fit the liking
of the "Zeitgeist". In effect it is as imperialistic in spirit as when  the
people who invaded it,  named the continent  America  and did not even
pause to ask the people they stole it from what the name of  their homeland
had been for millenia.....

In any case this   "message"  was also featured on a website of the
so-called "Rainbow Tribe" and an anti-globalisation group called  the
http://www.tribalmessenger.org/  which otherwise  certainly makes a
laudable effort to present the real message of the Hopis as told to them on
various rainbow gatherings....

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Re: Will Rockingbear and Earth Green Medicine Lodge
« Reply #2 on: December 20, 2009, 01:12:53 am »
They sell vision quests and sweatlodges in Ireland for up to four grand a pop. Also sell them in North Carolina.

Wow. Way to piss off the ancestors and nature spirits of a whole bunch of cultures, all in one fell swoop. They'll either be ignored by all of the above, or get their metaphysical asses kicked.

http://www.ritesofpassagecouncil.com/circlerockingbear.htm

OK, I know it's about culture, not BQ... but damn, even without the ceremony-selling and the nuage-speak... the idea that some would think that guy's an NDN elder... Bafffling and creepy.

http://www.ritesofpassagecouncil.com/circlerockingbear.htm
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Join us in this powerful Teaching Circle where we will create the time, space, and opportunity to connect with Will Rockingbear. We will spend this day together honoring Ourselves, Our Ancestors..... All Our Relations. We will begin our Circle time together by Calling in the Directions. There will be time for listening, time for Journeying, time for remembering, and time for asking questions.

Real Cherokee.  ::)  More like fake Lakota and Neo-playgan. "Journeying" is a common catch-phrase among the Harnerites who like to pretend they're Indigenous. It's shorthand for "Shamanic Journey", as in, lie around on the floor with blindfolds on while someone bangs on a hand drum.
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