It seems like he's using practically every dangerous combination he can think of in a completely thoughtless drugged out raver's notion of enlightenment.
A site which is kind of a Hindu version of NAFPS doesn't think much of him, as a "lightweight." There's also rumors that followers get held hostage, as well as his real name.
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http://www.globalserve.net/~sarlo/RatingsD.htmPrem Tyohar M b1970ish
aka Moshe Kastiel Tyohar MORE Israeli rave DJ, Osho disciple in biz for himself. "Have no destination, and you will not get lost." Uninformative website.
Rumours of visitors held hostage for retroactive fee increases in new tropical paradise commune in Costa Rica.
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Plenty of comments about him talk about his abusive and domineering nature, his money grubbing, and his events basically being lots of people out to get high.
There's also some very serious charges that his negligence contributed to a follower's accidental death.
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http://www.sannyasnews.org/latest/archives/65Sw. Atmo Chirag // Sep 11, 2008 at 6:23 pm
I met Tyohar more than 10 years ago and spent quite some time with him and his girlfriend. I was there when he was scolding her for some missing paperwork before Mahableshwar silent-retreat. I was there when he tried to get ‘validated’ by Samdarshi.(It didn’t work, Samdarshi saw right through him and told clearly to his own disciples what ‘Tyohar’s condition was all about).
I was there when a Scottish disciple was left alone in Mahableshwar, against warnings and common sense, and plunged 200m into his death after Tyohar tried to convince everybody that “Arenu got enlightened”…. I was there when Tyohar run from Arenu’s parents and later quitely removed every trace of Arenu.
I was there when Tyohar stirred emotions and employed a “donate money now or the opportunity is lost for you” sales-gimmick in the middle of a silent-retreat, when later, he turned and walked all over the people who already committed to his project, when
his “ecological” commune destroyed a piece of rainforest and turned it into a real estate heaven for himself and his greedy israeli buddies,
when he freaked out upon learning that the italian connection wanted too much for the LSD tabs he brought and wanted to do his “magical” party with ecstacy-tabs instead. I was there witnessing his freak out when he got jealous, making Chandani (his dutiful girlfriend) pay… as if it wasn’t him that had little ‘healing sessions’ with the hot Italian friend of Gulabo(another Italian disciple), who left crying, never to return again.
I know Tyohar. I know his ‘exiting’ side, ‘lying’ side, ‘compassionate’ side, ‘aggresive’ side, ‘making you feel guilty’ side, ’sweet’ side, ‘bargaining like hell’ side, ‘horny’ side, ‘generous’ side. Above all he is a control freak. He has no qualms using Osho, sweettalk, manipulation and everything in his arsenal for the little kingdom he reigns over. If you wanna gather more experience , go check it out yourself but one advice: He is worse than worthless as a ‘guide’ on this journey of life. He might be borderline crazy, but he won’t be crazy enough to empower you. Either you need his special kind of abuse, or : Tyohar? NO, thanks…..
Rashke // Sep 11, 2008 at 7:00 pm
Yup, he gets his people high allright. ‘
Shamanic ‘translates into ’substance (ab)use’ the experience is more due to the chemical induced circumstances than to his DJ ying abilities. And Pacha Mama is a rather faith based or so called devotional community. So he really does not need to do much to get them flying.
Give the credit to the willingness of the party goers to have a good time and to the ability of his sidekicks to score good quality drugs rather than to Tyohar’s ‘guidance’....
Sw. Atmo Chirag // Sep 16, 2008 at 8:23 am
Heraclitus, you’re right. I did follow an attraction but what does that prove?
I came across
a “Goa-trance DJ that “got enlightened” through the brand of ’sex and drugs and techno music’ that i was into. Had chicks around(all devotional and dealt drugs with me and blessed my actions (along that kinda line) never meditated himself and told me that it’s ok to smoke hash, introduced me to new psychedelics and butressed my ego… Then
(after getting a chunk of cash) changed his tune, acted like a dick and betrayed his promise on many occasions. So I left him, what’s so deep about it?
I followed many attractions, many infatuations, retained and lost habits. Not all of them healthy, not all of them good/bad etc.
I spent a bit more time with him than I could have exactly because of those “bugging thoughts” you gave a good example of. Namely “there to provoke disciples”, “sees things we are not capable of seeing”, “it must be my ego”….well, I’m sure you know a few more of the same….
But I’m quite familiar with the ‘issue’ to know that it’s useless to argue about it. One hears, believes, defends whatever one chooses, as one calls it.
I don’t mind that you hear some echo of some bitterness you encountered from your past. Sannyasins aquire naturally a ’sannyas conditioning’ as well as other possible conditionings that come along for the ride. I know nothing firsthand of the ‘Ranch’, I just know now that if Osho gave you the name of the “weeping philosopher”, you must be a natural ‘mindfucker’.
Maybe you go figure out if the things you hear are the sounds of one hand clapping
