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Re: Grey Wolf & Tonya
« Reply #60 on: February 21, 2007, 01:00:41 pm »

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do they really teach "Crystal Healing" in the Universities in Germany?
Where did T/T/T say so? I must read that with my own eyes to believe it :D
I suppose she took that course at the same university she did those on kaos rays - errm: koso rays at.

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Re: Grey Wolf & Tonya
« Reply #61 on: February 21, 2007, 01:32:47 pm »
T/T/T claims she was born on a reservation in Georgia? Pretty amazing, there hasn't been one in the state since the Trail of Tears. The Cherokee rez is in North Carolina. The CNO tribal lands were all allotted almost a hundred years ago. (I realize you know this, Loudcrow, but the Billingtons' European followers almost certainly don't.)

I suppose some of the would be Cherokee tribes could have bought lands, but I don't think any of them have been around since before the 70s. So unless T/T/T is pretty young...

And it wouldn't be a rez anyway.

I haven't heard anything from the Billingtons and don't expect they will ever have the courage to.

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Re: Grey Wolf & Tonya
« Reply #62 on: February 25, 2007, 04:19:53 am »
This is the post T/T/T made to her group regarding her studying crystals in University in Germany I presume.


Hiya all,
here is a little about Crystals. I have still so much
information' s about crystals. These I got and studied
in different courses from the University. Hope you can
use it somehow.
 
Love and Hugs
Tonya
 
BIRTHSTONES
 
*BIRTHSTONES
There are various traditions and lists of Birthstones
These are
from several different lists and sources

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Birthstones by Month

January - Garnet, Emerald, Rose Quartz

February - Amethyst, Bloodstone, Onyx, Moonstone

March - Aquamarine, Bloodstone, Jade, Rock Crystal

April - Diamond ,Opal, Quartz, White Sapphire

May - Emerald, Sapphire, Agate, Chrysoprase, Beryl

June-Pearl or Moonstone, Alexandrite, Opal

July- Ruby, Carnelian

August -Peridot, Sardonyx, Diamond, Sapphire, Jade

September-Sapphire, Agate, Moonstone, Lapis Lazuli,
Diamond

October-Opal or Pink Tourmaline, Tourmaline,
Jasper,Zircon, Aquamarine

November-Topaz or Smoky Quartz ,Citrine, Pearl

December-Turquoise or Blue Zircon, Blue Topaz, Lapis
Lazuli, Onyx ,Ruby


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Birthstones by Zodiac Sign

Capricorn 12/22-01/19 - smokey quartz, ruby, onyx,
jet,Ruby, Agate, Garnet, Lapis Lazuli, Smokey Quartz,
Amethyst, Aragonite, Tigers Eye

Aquarius 01/20-02/18 - Turquoise, Malachite,
Aquamarine, Moonstone, Garnet, Moss Agate, Opal,
Amethyst, Rhodonite, Rhyolite, Aventurine

Pisces 02/19-03/20- Amethyst,Opal, Moonstone, Quartz
Crystal, Sapphire, Bloodstone, Aquamarine, Turquoise,
Bluelace, Agate, Calcite, Carnelian *

Aries 03/21-04/19- Jasper, Ruby, Bloodstone, Diamond,
Citrine, Agate, Aventurine Bloodstone, Jade

Taurus 04/20-05/20 - Rose Quartz, Lapis Lazuli,
Carnelian, Sapphire,
Turquoise, Amber, Emerald, Aventurine, Diamond,
Jasper, Bloodstone, ,Jade, Satinspar

Gemini 05/21-06/20 - Citrine, Rock Crystal, Tigers
eye, Agate, Rutile Quartz, Chrysoprase, Pearl,
Emerald, Aventurine, Unakite, Citrine, Apatite

Cancer 06/21-07/22 -Olivine, Emerald, Moonstone,Pearl,
Ruby, Agate, Chalcedony, Hematite, Sodalite,
Moonstone, Carnelian

Leo 07/23-08/22- Quartz crystal, Diamond,
Agate,Tourmaline, Sardonyx, Onyx, Peridot, Amber,
Labradorite, Amazonite, Carnelian, Jasper, Bloodstone
*

Virgo 08/23-09/22 - Carnelian, Agate, Jasper,
Sapphire, Jade, Citrine, Sardonyx, Amethyst, Amazonite

Libra 09/23-10/22- Emerald, Aventurine, Jade,
Sapphire, Opal, Lapis
Lazuli, Peridot, Sardonyx, Moonstone, Chrysoprase,
Amethyst, Bluelace Agate, Sodalite

Scorpio 10/23-11/21- Garnet, Bloodstone, Ruby, Jasper,
Beryl,
Aquamarine, Topaz, Tigers Eye, Amethyst, Unakite,
Moonstone

Sagittarius 11/22-12/21- Topaz,Jacinth, Snowflake
Obsidian ,
Sapphire, Amethyst, Turquoise, Pearl, Sodalite,
Obsidian, Smokey Quartz, Chalcedony, Aventurine

ALL SIGNS - QUARTZ, ROSE QUARTZ

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Ayurvedic Birthstones

January- Garnet

Feburary-Amethyst

March-Bloodstone

April- Diamond

May-Agate

June-Pearl

July-Ruby

August-Sapphire

September-Moonstone

October-Opal

November-Topaz

December-Ruby


Birthstones by Day of Week

Monday - Pearl, Rock Crystal, Moonstone

Tuesday - Ruby, Emerald, Star Sapphire

Wednesday - Amethyst, Magnetite, Star Ruby

Thursday - Sapphire, Carnelian, Cat's eye

Friday - Emerald, Cat's eye, Alexandrite

Saturday - Turquoise, Diamond, Labradorite

Sunday - Topaz, Sunstone

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Birthstones by the Chinese Year
Each Year in the twelve year cycle is assigned an
animal

Rat- Emerald

Ox - Lapis Lazuli

Tiger - Ruby

Rabbit - Sapphire

Dragon - Ruby

Snake - Opal

Horse - Topaz

Goat - Sapphire

Monkey - Tiger-Eye

Rooster - Topaz

Dog - Ruby

Pig - Moonstone

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Birthstones by hour of Birth ( adjust for Daylight
savings time if you need to.)
* Hour of Birth* *Birthstone*

1 (midnight until 1 am) Quartz
2 Hematite
3 Malachite
4 Lapis Lazuli
5 Turquoise
6 Tourmaline
7 Chrysolite (Peridot)
8 Amethyst
9 Kunzite
10 Sapphire
11 Garnet
12 (noon until 1 PM or 13:00) Diamond
13 Zircon
14 Emerald
15 Beryl
16 Topaz
17 Ruby
18 Opal
19 Sardonyx
20 Chalcedony
21 Jade
22 Jasper
23 Lode
24 Onyx

I also found this exact wording at: http://pjentoft.com/f-65-birthstones.html
I am assuming they took the same University classes or is this plagarism?
Enjoy!

Croud with a loud voice

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Re: Grey Wolf & Tonya
« Reply #63 on: February 25, 2007, 12:03:40 pm »
This is the post T/T/T made to her group regarding her studying crystals in University in Germany I presume.
Thanks very much.

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Hiya all,
here is a little about Crystals. I have still so much
information' s about crystals. These I got and studied
in different courses from the University. Hope you can
use it somehow.
 
Love and Hugs
Tonya

Please take due note that mentioning the name of this university is carefully avoided. I am quite positive we got more than just one university in Grrmany (sarcasm off). Apart from the traditional ones and those founded more recently, also quite a number of colleges and polytechnics have gained the status of universities meanwhile - not mentioning those we got when ex-GDR joined.
As the B's monitor the forum, some additional info, just to spare us another fairy tale about the way things work over here: there are institutions doing courses on homeopathy, but it couldn't have been one of those since they are not allowed to go by the name of a university (if they did, they'd have their premises closed down and their butts in a lawsuit faster than they could spell the term 'university').

The only serious possibility with a 'regular' university I see is a course in anthropology. My bets are on some nuage outfit calling themselves a university (not all that legal, they should prefer the term 'academy'). T/T/T's avoiding further info about this alleged university of course may evoke a certain impression, and we may have a guess at whether this is completely coincidential.

The lists T/T/T supplied are nothing much to write home about anyway. There was quite a fad about this a few years ago here, and the issue got covered in many mags.

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Re: Grey Wolf & Tonya
« Reply #64 on: September 07, 2007, 01:51:07 pm »
T/T/T Billington has got a new website at:    http://www.sacred-earth.eu

This is the information put down in the impressum:

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Impressum
Sacred - Earth Ltd
Director : Tonya Hountingwolf Billington
Company number : 6232617, registered with Companies house in Cardiff
7A Budebury Road
Staines, Middlesex
TW18 2BA, UK
Tel : +44 ( 0 ) 1784-457410
Mobile : +44 ( 0 ) 7725-193628
E-mail : hountingwolf@sacred-earth.eu


The Welcome text:

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Welcome

Welcome to Sacred Earth Online-Shop for Healing Crystals, Gemstones, Minerals and Crystals. Also Native American Indian articles, Giftware and much more.
We are also very proud to present our Universal Fleamarket.

    * Healingstones
    * Gemstones
    * Minerals & Crystals - and accessories
    * Native American Indian articles
    * Gifts
    * Esoteric articles
    * Books
    * Music/Albums
    * Nature products

      We pay attention to the original makings, with the Native American artifacts and we only use the original accessories, which are used by Native American people. All artifacts are handmade. We want to make sure to keep the Originality and to support the Native American makers.

We are now also offering Aura Photography and Aura Interpretation with Psychic Readings.

Please contact us if you are interested. Party Bookings also available.

INSPIRATIONAL IN ITS DIVERSITY


Contents of the site:

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Categories     
 Books (4)
 Esoteric (4)
 Flea Market (2)
 Minerals Crystals Fossils (53)
 -   Jewellery (5)
 -   Mineral specimens (7)
 -   Quartz Points (5)
 -   Special power crystals (1)
 -   Tumbled stones Healing crystals (34)
 Music
 Native American Indian (2)
 Nature products

In the book section, there's the following offers:

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Books     
Books for everyone    

 The Lemurian Effect - by Francis Grey Wolf Billington    The Lemurian Effect - by Francis Grey Wolf Billington
11,72 EUR
Shipping time:    2 Weeks

 Brave Eagle by Francis Grey Wolf Billington    Brave Eagle by Francis Grey Wolf Billington
14,68 EUR
Shipping time:    2 Weeks

 The Angel Bible by Hazel Raven    The Angel Bible by Hazel Raven
19,08 EUR
Shipping time:    3-4 Days

 The Crystal Bible / Judy Hall / Bestseller in the UK    The Crystal Bible / Judy Hall / Bestseller in the UK
19,08 EUR


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Esoteric     

The esoterical corner
 Emerald Pendulum    Emerald Pendulum
22,04 EUR
Shipping time:    3-4 Days

 Original Incence sticks Nag Champa    Original Incence sticks Nag Champa
2,59 EUR
Shipping time:    1 Week

 Set Fragrance Oils in Velvet Box / 12 different Oils    Set Fragrance Oils in
Velvet Box / 12 different Oils
31,93 EUR
Shipping time:    3-4 Days

 Variety Pack Incense Sticks / Floral    Variety Pack Incense Sticks / Floral
6,04 EUR



Another business operated by T/T/T:

http://www.xing.com/profile/TonyaHountingwolf_Billington/

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Tonya Hountingwolf Billington

Pharmacist, Crystal Therapist, Minerologist

Managing director

Company:
(This may only be viewed by a registered user)
TW18 2BA Staines, United Kingdom

Status    Freelancer
Wants    I am looking for different people, who working in the same type of work, like Crystal healing, natural remedies, esoterical, herbs and Plants to build up my network. Since I have lots of areas to fill, this could be the
possibilty to work with us.
Haves    I am offering high quality Minerals, healingstones, esoterical items, Books and Native american art
Company    (This may only be viewed by a registered user)
Industry    Online Shop, Esoteric, Minerals, healingcrystals
Additional current companies    

    * (This may only be viewed by a registered user)

Universities    Degree in Mineralogy and Crystal Therapy
Interests    I am a Nature and Animal Lover, Crystals, Drumming, Native American, In my private time I am an Activist in different organisations for protecting animals, environmental issues and human rights ( especially native
american rights ), laughing, discussions with friends, reading, devolping spiritual matters
Confirmed contacts    Peer Siegel-Gradenwitz
(More contacts may only be viewed by a registered user)
Premium Groups    ---
Groups    ---
Languages    German, English, Cherokee Tsalagi

I am a Crystal Thrapist and Minerologist. Also I am from the Cherokee Nation.

In my Shop you can find Minerals, Crystals, Esoterical items, books and native american items.

Also I am doing Crystal Healing and distant healing.

My webside will be edited every day and there will be more and more Crystals and Items in it. If there is any Crystal you want, but cannot find it at the webpage, then please don't hesitate to contact me, because very often, I either have it, but it is not listed yet, or I can get it.

I would still like to know which German university offers a degree in 'crystal therapy'.


Here's a forum the Billingtons are quite actively participating in. The URL goes to a thread about how members got their name. Please take due note that our comments regarding the subtleties of German and English language re the words hunt/haunt have been taken up meanwhile and were included in the legend in May 2007:

http://onebigcircle.org/obcforum/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=35&start=10

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Members Names
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 10:29 am
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Hiya all,

I really like all the names, and how they came.

Ok here is mine :

The word hounting is really not a real word, but it is a mixture, between hunting ( since I always chased animals - not to hunt them, but to watch them ), and haunted ( because I always felt / sensed / seen things, what other people could not understand, and it was a little haunted to them ) and howling ( since I love the sound of the howling wolfs )
The wolf is one of my power animals and also I had different experiences with wolfes. That is why I am now
Tonya Hountingwolf

The name was given to me from some of the tribal elders. So it is my real name now ( after I had many difficulties of registering this name with the authorities. )

Love, Light and Hugs
Tonya

Another reply by T/T/T:

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Hountingwolf      
 Post subject: Re: Members Names
PostPosted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 8:01 pm

Very good guess then Plur.

But I also have a second name, which is Eagleeye.
So my real complete name is : Tonya Hountingwolf Eagleeye Billington ( sounds silly I know )

And the name Eagleeye was also given to me from tribal elders. Actually it was my first name I was given.

I had 2 exeriences with eagles.
One was where a huge eagle was landing right in front of me. And I tell you, I was scared, because then you really could see how big it really is.

And the second one is, that I was able to make a sound like an eagle and very often, just a few minutes after this, there were 2 eagles coming and circling over me.

In our culture the eagle is the most sacred animal, because Eagle can fly the highest and is with this the closest to spirit, but still the Eagle can see everything what is going on on the ground.

Just a little insight.

Love and Hugs
Tonya

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my real complete name is : Tonya Hountingwolf Eagleeye Billington ( sounds silly I know )
I almost fell off my chair laughing - Adlerauge!!!!!, that's a name used by children here when they play ndns and cowboys. Since you claim to be fluent in Cherokee - what's your alleged names in Cherokee language?

No, Tanni, your real complete name is Tanja Billington, geschiedene (divorced) Fehlauer, geborene (nee) - well, whatever your birth name happened to be. Not that silly twink job you give us, complete with more than just one mis-spilling. I do wonder, since DH Francis claims to be clairvoyant - doesn't he 'see' he should do a spellcheck for you whenever you post/publish something? I do admire all the imagination that went into justifying the mis-spilled 'hounting', but a simple spellcheck programme could have avoided you the trouble of thinking that hard. Perhaps you shouldn't put so much time into remembering more and more details from your former life in Atlantis (cf onebigcircle forum), but have a look at your grammar book.

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Re: Grey Wolf & Tonya
« Reply #65 on: September 08, 2007, 08:28:50 am »
From that site:

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We are also very proud to present our Universal Fleamarket.

I think that nicely sums up the whole new age phenomenon.

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Re: Grey Wolf & Tonya
« Reply #66 on: September 08, 2007, 12:57:55 pm »
From that site:

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We are also very proud to present our Universal Fleamarket.

I think that nicely sums up the whole new age phenomenon.

It does indeed... Did you have a look at that *universal* fleamarket? - It's Tanni selling two pairs of jeans, how's that for universal? Buyers can feel proud to be almost 'a$$ to a$$' with a real genuine fake 'Tsalagi' when wearing them.

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Re: Grey Wolf & Tonya
« Reply #67 on: September 27, 2007, 07:19:07 pm »
Message moved to a new thread
« Last Edit: September 27, 2007, 07:23:18 pm by sylvia »

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Re: Grey Wolf & Tonya
« Reply #68 on: October 14, 2007, 10:15:20 pm »
1. The word "hount" is German. The English word is "haunt". Perhaps one of our German members can verify this as I am not
    a German speaker myself and know you cannot always rely on Internet translations. If I am mistaken, I apologise as it
    is not my intention to present false or misleading information.

Errm, the internet was not quite wrong, but also not quite right. There is no 'hount' in German language (the German word 'Hund' and the English 'hound' go back to the same root), the equivalent in meaning of the English 'haunt' is 'umgehen/verfolgen'. I assumed that Ms T/T/T intended to go either by the nick of 'Huntingwolf' or 'Hauntingwolf' and failed to look up the correct spelling, and also, in case of 'Hauntingwolf', was not too sure about the meaning of the terms, as both 'haunt' and 'stalk' can be translated as 'verfolgen'.

Hello, I came across this forum by chance. I am an ex-member of a forum that these people frequent. I went there and never really fit in, there was some issues I had with a member and I just decided to leave. It's totally not my cup of tea there.

I found this thread to be quite interesting!

Regarding "Hountingwolf" she gives an explaination here:
(edit, nevermind Ingeborg posted it from OneBigCircle)
« Last Edit: October 14, 2007, 10:22:43 pm by RoseBlossom »

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Re: Grey Wolf & Tonya
« Reply #69 on: October 14, 2007, 11:55:48 pm »
I remembered this post of her regarding Pow Wow edicate and thought it might be helpful to post it here:

I'm curious if anything said is true and legit or if it's all BS (re: the Pow Wow, rituals, edicate, etc--some like no cell phones make sense, but some others?)...

Edit: Why is T/T/T used to refer to her?-- I can't find the reference in this thread.
And if case people didn't catch this one yet:

http://wolfcrystalspirit.com/ (October 04. 2007 01:29:21) --so it's recent.

Edit2:
Grey Wolf's Pictures
Pictures from the wedding, the pow-wow, and others
http://www.wolfcrystalspirit.com/photos/thumbnails.php?album=lastcomby&uid=3

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Hiya everybody,

I just feel, I should also post some of the things I learned about Pow Wow, and I want to say before I start, that I learned long time ago, that there is no right or wrong way of doing things, there is only the spiritual way.

And I want to add, that those are some of the Pow Wow Rules which we are using, but this doesn't mean, that all Native nations are doing this in the same way, because it is hard to find "Pow Wow Rules" which will suit all the nations.

The reason for writing this here, is that I realise, that more and more people are interested in Native American Spirituality, and with this also interested of going to Pow Wows. The most Native nations are very happy to know, that more and more countries in the world are performing Pow Wows to keep the traditions alive. But some native nations are also aware, that the proper Pow Wow etiquette must take place, to not disturb our spirits, warriors, anchestors - our church.
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So lets start now with the general rules :

A Pow Wow is one event where you may see Natives across the globe, gathered in one place with a common purpose - the celebration of their heritage.

After Grand Entry the pow wow will be in full swing and you will see the most outstanding dancers. Breaks between some dances will give you time to look around or to see some Native American craftwork.

1.) If you are in a hurry, don't go. When you enter the grounds ( sometimes called "Stomp grounds" ), you are on "indian time". Forget clocks, time and schedules. Be in the moment in every sense of the word.

2.) Take folding chairs to sit on. Stake out your spot ouside the arena markers. Don't sit in someone's elses chair, or in a spot, that is marked with someone elses belongings.

3.) The temperatures can get extreme. Now don't wimp out. Look at what the dancers are wearing, and the heat they are dancing in. They don' have summer light regalia.

4.) If you take your pet, be sure it stays on a leash. Also if you take your pet be considerate of others and take your pooper scooper as well to clean up any messes it may make.

5.) Mobile Phones, as a courtesy, should be turned off when you are near the arena. If you must take a call, excuse yourself from the arena area. Mobiles phones ringing during a song are considered rude and the singers may take offence. Please turn them off when you are near the arena.

6.) When you attend a Pow Wow, it is important to remember that you are a guest, and an observer of ancient ceremonies and tradititions that have survived every possible adversity.

7.) Under no Circumstances is Alkohol or drugs allowed on Pow Wow Grounds. Alkohol is the greatest curse ever visited on the Native American, and it will not be tolerated.

The area for dancing and ceremonies is called the arena, and it's boundaries will be marked by a circle.It is common to see teepees and lodges set up on the grounds. These are not open to the public. Pow Wow participiants live in the teepees during the gathering, and they are, in fact, their homes for the duration. Respect their privacy. Many dancers will be happy to have a look if you ask them for permission.

Once the dance arena has been blessed with sage and prayer, it becomes spiritual and sacred ground. Do not walk across the arena, and don't allow your children to run into the arena.

If you see a dancer's feather fall to ground DO NOT PICK IT UP!! It is a sacred artefact and must then have a prayer song to bless it and be retrieved. Also the ground will be cleaned and blessed with smudging and prayer.

If you see a lost feather, or yourself drop a feather , do NOT pick it up. Notify the nearest Head Man Dancer or Arena Director immediately. If you drop some part of your Regalia, DON'T PICK IT UP. Dance in place beside it until the Arena Director picks it up for you. You will probably be asked to give something for it's return to you. All dropped atricles belong to the Arena Director.

When an eagle feather is dropped, is Pow Wow is stopped, and a special ceremony is performed to pick it up. This is like a falling warrior.

Pow Wows are non-profit and depend upon donations, raffles, blanket dances etc. for support. Donations are encouraged as a way to honor someone.

Feel free to take Photos with the exception of the flag songs, prayer songs or honour dances. If you see a dancer, who is especially striking, ask if you may take a picture.

A dancer's clothing is Regalia - not a costume or an "outfit" and is a prized possession. Some Regalia has been handed down through generations, and is priceless. When a dancer decides to "come out" in a particular style, the Regalia reflects the spirit and customs of the people being honored. This is no small desicion, and a "coming out" ceremony for a new dancer is cause for great celebration.

The regalia is handmade, usually by the dancer, friends and family, and every article has a special meaning. It takes years to collect the items until the Regalia is complete, and this involves no small expense. DO NOT EVER TOUCH a dancer's Regalia without permission. The Regalia is an expression of spirit, and has been prayed over and blessed. Honor it, the person wearing it, and the living history it represents.
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So my family,
this was the first part of the Pow Wow Trails, and I hope this can help you understand, why it is so important to know the do's and the don't s before going on a Pow Wow.

And I hope, this is still interesting to you all.

Next Part of the Pow Wow Trails will be something about the different dances and the names of it.
So for everybody, who is interested watch out this space.

Puh, this was a lot what I wrote.

Love and hugs
Tonya
http://onebigcircle.org/obcforum/viewtopic.php?f=39&t=650
« Last Edit: October 15, 2007, 12:29:03 am by RoseBlossom »

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Re: Grey Wolf & Tonya
« Reply #70 on: October 17, 2007, 01:10:34 pm »
Hi RoseBlossom and welcome
RoseBlossom
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I'm curious if anything said is true and legit or if it's all BS (re: the Pow Wow, rituals, edicate, etc--some like no cell phones make sense, but some others?)...

This sounds like the same basic information, I've seen on a few websites about powwow etiquette .

Tonya
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When you enter the grounds ( sometimes called "Stomp grounds" )

The Cherokee Nation website explains that powwows are not the same thing as a Stomp Dance ;

http://www.cherokee.org/Culture/CulInfo/FAQ/77/Default.aspx


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What is the difference between a pow wow and a stomp dance?
Pow wows began in the west with Plains Indians. They were tribal gatherings where people would gather to celebrate and renew family and tribal ties.

Modern pow wows began to gain momentum in the late 1940’s and 1950’s. They evolved from tribal to intertribal celebrations. They are often times held for competition with prizes
being awarded for performance.

The Stomp Dance is a religious, or ceremonial dance which is private to those who practice traditional ceremonies.

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Re: Grey Wolf & Tonya
« Reply #71 on: October 17, 2007, 03:30:14 pm »
This was written by T/T/T on a US Immigration site

Hello lovely people,

I ahve an extremely difficult problem which I must
solve by the middle of April. Please help me if you
can. The case: my mother has lived in the USA since
1989 after she married an American (who was before
with the Army in Germany). After she moved there, it
turned into a disaster and he "seized" all the papers
of my mother (passport, identity card, etc.) and
burned all the documents in front of witnesses. Since
then my mother has had an "illegal status" since she
never obtained new documents. They have been divorced
since 1996 and she got lucky and married a very ill
American who needed care. Unfortunately, she is
illegal since she could not request a visa without
papers. And she is afraid to appear before the US
authorities. Her only valid document is an American
driving license which expires in May and cannot be
renewed without a Social Security NUMBER! Now it took
us years to finally get a German passport. Now the
question is whether she should remain in the country
and get everything in order or rather with the valid
driving license drive to Canada over the Niagra and
then travel from Canada to Germany,
obtain a visa and then travel back to the USA. Both
options have a high risk with them that will not help
her ill husband. The people in the Consulate advised
against (naturally) a "Canada solution". He
recommended we consult US Immigrations lawyers in the
USA. Are there such lawyers in Germany? Which would
you advise?
It is important the risk be as small as possible. She
does not want US nationality but want to be able to
enter the USA and live with her husband. Property and
the house belong to my mother there, otherwise they do
not have much money. She is a kindergarden teacher,
has an occupation that is sought. And she has a
husband who naturally appears during visa requests as
a sponsor. Please help us since a possible "Canada
solution" will have to take place before the middle of
April so she can still use her valid driving license
(instead of passport) to depart to Canada. Thank you
for your assistance. My email address is:

sacred earth@gmx.de

Thank you, and greetings
T.
 

Offline dakota33

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Re: Grey Wolf & Tonya
« Reply #72 on: April 04, 2008, 04:41:46 am »
They are still at it

Offline Barnaby_McEwan

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Re: Grey Wolf & Tonya
« Reply #73 on: April 04, 2008, 08:37:14 am »
Hello and welcome. I daresay they are still at it but your report is a bit sparse. What can you tell us about them?

Offline zoi lightfoot

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Re: Grey Wolf & Tonya
« Reply #74 on: April 04, 2008, 11:23:55 am »
Francis and Tonya Billington huh? Well done to the NAPFS member who correctly identified this couple as the focus of my statement made directly to the union of autonomous groups.charities and sg's (NNN)in Oct 07 which somehow ended up on this site.

Francis Billinton quite likes racialy abusing,spitting at and even threatening legal action against ex pats who challange his wife Cherokee heritage,yet for some reason they don't appear to want to face a recognized Indian attorney who personaly knows all the peoples these two wastes of space claim to support.

What the IIC members personaly think of the Billintons is of little relevance to me,I draw the line at anyone putting their hands on or getting abusive and making threats against members of the indian nations residing overseas.

On a recent trip to Florida,Tonya Billington repeated she was 'Cherokee' to Turkey Talbert and others who made the same request for identification documents the ex pats based in Europe had. To my knowledge the Billingtons did not get abusive towards Turkey Talbert as they had the ex pats,which included a member of Turkey Talberts own Band out here.

The reality is this ladies and gents,there is a sizable intertribal presence of recognized peoples in Europe and internationaly which is gathering in unity and strength as each day passes,who form the bulk of the ethnic minority presence identified as the International intertribal community.People like the Billingtons have a limited life span in terms of validation before they get on my legal radar.Games over as is the show,we are slowly getting to the point when folks like these will find themselves in european courts charged with violations of race relations laws.