THOMAS LIGHTNING BOLT INTERVIEW

[wasna papa]

kola,

if lightenning bolts is playing with medicen spirits will take care of hin. nood need to concern yourselves. cretor take care of this mater. if he is not playing with medcen no need to concern yourself cretor take care of this mater.this is how it oporates.

wasna papa

[educatedindian]

Steve, could you tell us how you met the guy? What powwow was it?

Was he claiming to be a medicine man that everyone should bow down before and no one should dare criticize for being a legend in his own mind, the way he does now?

Did he already have a lot of unlikely claims about Fools Crow and elders he wouldn't name, as Johnnie pointed out?

[sapa]

Steve W.

If you will refer to the previous post from educated indian you will see that he was warning me that someone named "Marlon" was the same fellow named LeKay and that this man is know to be agressive if you disagree with him. Thats were my reply about personal attacks came in. I dont think what you see here is "hate" as much as it is frustration.
Sapa

[wasna papa]

kola,

what is your frusteration with brother.


wasna papa

[Johnnie]

SteveW.

I admit it makes me uncomfortable with the "hate" accusation you level.  My tribal chairman does the same thing when we point out the corruption in the tribe.  If we say that the tribe is tens of millions of dollars in debt due to casino development, he says we are being "hateful." 

And I have yet to see where anyone has been "hateful" on  here.  Discussions regarding who is or is not what they say they are is, IMHO, not hateful. 

Once was accused of 'snooping' when I asked a guy his tribe.  Turns out he was a poser and was outed for trying to raise money on his fictional tribal connection. 

ndaw nishnabe podwewadmi ewi chigwe dodem, Oklahoma o shishipani dojbya.  My tribe clan and band of Potawatomi.  I am not a medicine man or spiritual leader, but I teach Native American Indian religions in the Indiana university system.  I tell my students nothing about how ceremonies are done, but do try to teach them respect for the traditions.  It is not respectful to Indian traditions to have these bozos (is that hateful) out there raising money and doing ceremonies that can harm people. 

If I push someone hard out of the way of a speeding car, is that hateful behavior?  If I try to stop someone from jumping into a rock-filled pond, is that hateful?

Johnnie

[steve_w]

Educatedindian

i met thomas at the gathering of nations in new mexico back in 2003. as i recall he was playing in a really cool indian rock band. he was a likeable kind of guy, but back then i didn't know he was a fraud. it's difficult to judge people till you meet them in person. there was so much going on there so many beautiful indian women. have you ever went to gathering of nations? thank you.

[One Moon]

I actually met this Lightning Bolt person in Washington State after some time he spent with a Native family. For being a "Phony" He sure was able to efectively heal an elder of cancer, several days later the lab work was done and nothing was visible on the test results...The Elder said "the doctors were baffled"... The only thing he asked for was tobacco. However people are certainly entitled to their beliefs.

[frederica]

No medicine person would ever brag about something like that. I am suprised anyone would lput this up on the internet.

[Ingeborg]

No medicine person would ever brag about something like that.

That's very true - but a lackey would.

[frederica]

Awwwwww, and I thought I was going to be able to obtain some Oncology facts. The AMA likes to investigate random non-scientific cures for Cancer.

[One Moon]

When I met him, he didn't say anything about why he was up there in Washington State. He didn't brag about anything, infact he didn't say anything about medicine. I think you are jumping to conclusions when using the word "Brag".

[Al's note: "One Moon" is actually John Lekay, yet again doing a very poor imitation of an NDN. He's been banned yet again as a troll, for spamming.]

[frederica]

All you have to do is read his web page bio.  There is enough there to draw attention and concern, which has been previously posted in this thread.

[Moma_porcupine]

One Moon does seem to have similar intrests to John Lekay ... I was wondering if they were the same person or affiliated .
 
I notice there is no names or tribe mentioned when One Moon mentions the Native family in Washington State who thought so highly of Thomas . Which seems strange if this was true . Without saying who these people are, the information is meaningless. If this family experinced such a miraculous cure I am sure they would be willing to leave this information with someone in their tribal council so we could confirm it .

But if it is just Thomas telling this story , about himself - to One Moon , So What ? We all already read him promoting himself as a healer in Lekay's articles ... More self promotion doesn't make him more credible .

And ya know , sometimes peoples faith or Prayers or luck does heal them , but that doesn't mean everyone involved in supporting this , is generally trustworthy in other ways, or even that they generally have the ability to assist in healing . People should have a lot more to recomend them than a couple situations that worked out well. I think anybody could rightly claim to be a "healer", if a all it takes is a few lucky interactions which resulted in a healing .  And then I always wonder when people take credit for a healing , if they are as quick to take the blame
for when people get sicker . You never hear that side of it . People bragging that they helped kill 10 people.  So I always wonder why they are comfortable to take the credit, and say they helped heal 10 . 

[debbieredbear]

I have met people who probably could cure cancer with ceremony and herbs. But they would never say so. They might say they only no a tiny bit of things but someone else they know, now that person has the real power. But the people who have gone to them will tell you that they were healed by them. For someone to brag about healing cancer or whatever? Sends big red flags to me.

[frederica]

I think it is not as rare as people think, just not an every day occurance.  I saw a bit of a program on what they called "spontaneous remissions" this past summer. It was geared more to Christian Faith and Prayer and Medicine, but the study was completed by medical personnel. But even they weren't taking credit for any cures.  I think that is where the line is drawn.