Tribal America

[RunningQuail]

There is a saying of........beware of those who do protest too much.   And protesting you have certainly done Tsisqua.  It is very easy to convieniontly leave out posts as to give the people reading them a one sided view.  It is also very easy to lie, this you have also done.

I quote them............members of NAU who are still Tribal Members, or admin who just left due to" ABUSE FROM OTHER ADMINS" and non native members.

I know the admin you are referring to in the above sentence and I know that she never recieved any abuse from another admin.  In fact, she will back that up herself if need be.

Another quote...........at a time when Pappy was coming into chat...going off on rants about IF YOU DONT WANT NATIVE UNITY YOU CAN ALL F*&K OFF, THIS IS NOT A DATING SITE etc etc

Pappy has never used that kind of language in our chat room and that can also be backed up.  Give me the date Tsisqua and I will get the chat logs.

Another quote..........covorting himself on main screen wearing his Eagle Feather headband, whilst the other admins got drunk and stomped to pow wow music for all to see...until of course native members left in disgust.

No admins got drunk and stomped to pow wow music and no members left in disqust.  I know the people that where their.  None of this happened.   


Another quote............The NAU Mission Statement, was written by Pappy, not me, infact, I failed to even understand his words. This Draft was written not too long before I left

This clearly shows when the NAU Misson statement was being written.  This was taken off the pages on this site that Tsisqua posted herself............... NAU Mission Statement (Draft) - I have posted a draft mission statement for Tribal America and the Native American Unity project, and would like feedback as to what statements need to be changed, what needs to be added, what doesn't make sense, etc. We want o work the mission statement and success criteria with the guidance of our online family right here at Tribal America. Please view the link and posted your feedback on this forum thread. The link can be found at tribalamerica.com/nau.html. Sincerely, Chief Pappy (2006 - Replies: 12)  It clearly shows this was being written in 2006 and Tsisqua left around the end of 2007.

 You speak of MB copying and pasting past posts, but it doesn't seem to matter when you do the same thing.  Making it look like something that happened recently when you do that and it could have happened months before, many months. I do not have to defend Tribal America.org as I know what we are about and what we are trying to do to help all our Natives Sisters an Brothers.  As do our many members that are with us today. 

I must speak up though when you, Tsisqua, tell your half truths and total lies. You are a liar,your not  to be trusted and this will come around to you Tsisqua.  People will believe what the choose to believe so maybe this post will fall on deaf ears and that is ok.  It is ok because I know my words are true and a liar has been exposed.  Now it is up to individuals to look for the truth and not to follow blindly the liar.

AHO

[Tsisqua]

Oh how NICE to see you again RQ....the last time you came here you told barefaced lies...which have been proven by your words claiming you do not charge for membership EVER...and then we have all the RECENT  mails (which are dated) asking for money repeatedly for membership...from Native members and non native alike...not much has changed has it deary?...CLAP CLAP CLAP...Pappy still hiding behind your skirt is he? You've ran around Tribal and deleted information...changed information to suit yourselves...banned members for speaking up and questioning you and Pappy about it...and you continue to do so...BIG SHOCK! YAWWWNNNNNNN! Boring!

Added: I see you neglect to mention others who have also posted here and varified Pappy's behavior on main screen and the abuse from admin....Lonefeather and Diana...but then...you never did like them did you? When they too spoke up....you banned them both...how curious...not to mention MANY others.....hmmmmm!

Perhaps you'd like to answer the questions Educated Indian asked of you the last time you popped in to run to Pappy's defense?? Questions you neglected to answer?

Quote from EducatedIndian

RQ, there are some questions I'd like to ask you. Much of that site does not seem to be New Age (though some of the people are). Instead it seems like there's a lot of very old "wisdom of the Indians" nonsense that seems like it was written in the 1920s or even before.

As I posted before, a couple things disturb me about the site:

Gulati buying up dozens of domain names, such as tribalhealer.com or tribalfunding.com. I don't see any reason for this except looking to make money by reselling them.

People being able to apply to be "tribal elders" at the site. That is not your right. It belongs to people of a tribe to say who elders are.

And yes, calling a non-Native a "chief" is offensive on a couple levels. Again, it's like something out of 1920.

How did anyone decide to call him Pappy also? That invites confusion with the real Chief Pappy, Pappy Hicks of the Texas Cherokee.

There are also literally dozens of good places for NDNs to meet and discuss.

Let me just re-quote one of the above comments: Gulati buying up dozens of domain names, such as tribalhealer.com or tribalfunding.com. I don't see any reason for this except looking to make money by reselling them.

Oh wait a minute....that's right...he's already doing it!

And....heck....lets also look at the membership fees that you DONT charge according to your own words....that have gone up and up....while the whole time Pappy has been SELLING tribal America....yes...that's correct...asking for huge membership fees...knowing full well he's selling up and these memberships will be VOID.

But no...there's nothing going on is there honey.....yup...I just made it ALL up...lol...your members words...your emails...heck...I'll bet I even posted your own lies on your own post eh?....Grow a spine RQ

[RunningQuail]

Anyone can visit Tribal America.org and view information about our site and will find that the posting below is there.

Dear Member,

 Tribal America is a 100% minority woman owned native american community website that provides a unique completely free online meeting space for persons of native american ancestry and persons interested in meeting other native americans.

First established in 1998 and kept running with minimum funds, Tribal America is a family safe website and welcomes participation from members of all backgrounds, ages, and preferences.

Please note that we do not send notifications regarding your inbox or profile views, so you will need to login again to see if someone has viewed you or sent you a message.

All member inquiries are handled by e-mail. Please send your inquiry, comment, or feedback to support@tribalamerica.com. Please be sure to include your member #.

Please help support Tribal America by using the Tell Friend link and by sending in a donation. None of these are required to be a member, but please remember we do need your help to stay online.

Thank you.

Sincerely,
Ms. Anju

Tribal America.org is not associated with a yahoo group named, TRIBALAMERICA


Tsisqua I am not going to add to your hate that you are spreading here. Like I stated earliar, I have no need to defend Tribal America.org.  People will believe what they choose to.  For me, no I didn't lie when I stated that the membership was free.  At the time that was posted the site was free Tsisqua and you know darn well it was.  This is just another example of you twisting posts around to get away with your lies.  You will not be able to continue twisting things to suit your needs. It has already been pointed out to you by members here that they have noticed what you are doing with the posts.  Why is that necessary Tsisqua if what you are posting is the truth as you say it is?  To tell one lie you have to tell another and then another and it will catch up with you. That is what I like about being honest,you never have to worry about what you have said.  Like I said, It will come around to you.

OH, and last time I checked my spine is intact. LOLOLOL  And yes Deary, this is getting boringggggggggggggggg. YAWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN  LOL

[Tsisqua]

Anyone can visit Tribal America.org and view information about our site and will find that the posting below is there.

Dear Member,

 Tribal America is a 100% minority woman owned native american community website that provides a unique completely free online meeting space for persons of native american ancestry and persons interested in meeting other native americans.

First established in 1998 and kept running with minimum funds, Tribal America is a family safe website and welcomes participation from members of all backgrounds, ages, and preferences.

Please note that we do not send notifications regarding your inbox or profile views, so you will need to login again to see if someone has viewed you or sent you a message.

All member inquiries are handled by e-mail. Please send your inquiry, comment, or feedback to support@tribalamerica.com. Please be sure to include your member #.

Please help support Tribal America by using the Tell Friend link and by sending in a donation. None of these are required to be a member, but please remember we do need your help to stay online.

Thank you.

Sincerely,
Ms. Anju

Tribal America.org is not associated with a yahoo group named, TRIBALAMERICA

So...answer this question....WHO SENT OUT THE MAILS TO ALL YOUR MEMBERS ASKING FOR MEMBERSHIP FEES?? Not to mention asking for a RENEWAL of membership fees even though all members had paid for LIFETIME memberships?? Its all there on your little forum dear...its all posted here too...your members complaining....we have all the emails...so do your members...asking for money respeatedly....explain THAT RQ?

You point to something posted on your website...as if this makes everything ok...but you send our bulk mails to all your members saying something different. Do you NOT see the concern here?

For me, no I didn't lie when I stated that the membership was free.  At the time that was posted the site was free Tsisqua and you know darn well it was.

I myself was asked for a membership fee RQ....as was my fiance Eli...Diana...Lonefeather...Blade...Nate...Skylar...Matty...Heyoka...TsoDine...and about 50 more people I can mention who can ALL provide proof of this....and your forum also clearly shows that WAY BACK at the begining of the site you charged a membership fee...and these members REFUSED to pay AGAIN....for something said to be LIFELONG.

Sigh....this is tedious....you are doing nothing more but proving my point.

To tell one lie you have to tell another and then another and it will catch up with you.

Well observed...I am glad you can see this trait in yourself...if anyone wishes to judge...all they have to do is read the WHOLE thread...your own words...words from your own members...your own emails...I rest my case.

[Moma_porcupine]

But no...there's nothing going on is there honey.....yup...I just made it ALL up...lol...your members words...your emails...heck...I'll bet I even posted your own lies on your own post eh?....Grow a spine RQ

OH, and last time I checked my spine is intact. LOLOLOL  And yes Deary, this is getting boringggggggggggggggg. YAWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN  LOL

You know... I see some problems with both Tribal America and NAU ...

It would be good if everybody could answer the questions that get asked without side stepping them and diverting attention from themselves by pointing fingers at other people. We all have room for improvement .

Perhaps both groups have the potential to do some good, but personally i am really uncomortable when people discuss this stuff and instead of staying with the issues they are verbally abusive and needlessly inflamatory. We have enough real problems to deal with on this board without people going out of their way to creat hostility by making sarcastic and disrespectful comments.

Personally I participate here in the hopes of achieving more cooperation through education - and the on line equvilant of scratching and hair pulling is only going to create resentment . I find just being careful to tell the truth and  be kind and polite is very effective.

I will probably have some more to say about this but there 's some other stuff I need to do first ...

Hey Tsisqua we do have something in common ....we both like dots.... LOL

[Tsisqua]

Its my trademark unfortunately...lol...I just cant seem to help using them...lol

I would just like to say though....I havent seen anywhere on this whole board where you MP have called me a liar....so I kinda find that insinuation from RQ insulting....and misleading....I may not agree with the way you ask questions...nor may you agree with the way I reply...we are both different people...and sometimes words written can be read in a tone of voice that may not be present at the time....and I am not without fault there...but you have never once stated "Tsisqua you are a liar".

NAU always has room for improvement...I wont deny that one bit...and I have asked on this board already...if anyone can see where we can improve...or where we are going wrong...to let us know and we'll fix it....I only ever received one message....a member had posted words from Brooke Medicine Shields (I think that's her name) and we removed it straight away...as soon as we were alerted.

I am not the only one who has spoken up here....and I wont be the last...I posted today a message from Heyoka...(Chuquai)....to be told Im a liar and my words posted regarding fees/abuse etc are untrue...even though we have proof from their own members and on their own forum etc. etc..which obviously annoyed the heck out of me....I think at the end of the day...as you have yourself stated...people will come to their own conclusions here....and I have no issue with that.

[RunningQuail]

 Circumstances do change Tsisqua and this is what happened, so now no membership fee required.  I invite all who read this to come and visit Tribal America.org.  See what we are about and trying to accomplish for our Native Sisters and Brothers.

[frederica]

Yep, MP they need to take their arguments off this list. Both can get boring with each other by PM.

[Tsisqua]

Well...Id like to inquire if all your new priced membership fees have been returned then? Because I know only around a month or so ago...you upped your price...and took in money from your members...has this money been returned? Are you a registered non profit organization? If not...does IRS know of this money? I know some members who have paid this fee...so I will email them now for varification also...to see if they have been reimbursed, and I know some of your members and ex members who still receive your mails to date....who were also asked for your "New Pricing Plan" rates....infact I have already posted Two of these mails on this thread recently from your members....mails that claimed if they did not pay this new fee...their already paid up in full LIFETIME memberships would be limitted...and I know these people will have no issue providing those emails here for varification purposes. Infact we have many members of NAU who are/were members of Tribal America who have received these mails. Could you answer those questions please?

[Tsisqua]

Just to show...(If anyone would like to check these forum postings, you will have to be a member to do so unfortunately...I went into this site on someone elses membership...so to post the link...would mean everyone here having access to that persons ID...which Im sure you can understand...)

Topic #2075
New pricing plan? - I a little confused about the posting on the main page about a 'new pricing plan' When I joined this site it was a 'one-time charge' of $10.00. The way the posting reads, it sounds as if I am going to be charged to continue on this site. What happens if I don't upgrade? #163814
 

#8188 Re: New pricing plan? - Okay, I appreciate the clarity that has been placed on the main page about the new pricing plan. I can assure you I will not be one to continue with this site, even as much as I enjoy it. I will pay no more than what was orginally asked of me when I joined.I don't appreicate being lied too and mislead when I originally joined. A lifetime membership is just that...for life. The charge was $10 to do so. It is wrong to go back and charge those members who joined in the past. If the site wants to change its pricing plan that is it choice, however, it should be done with the new members coming in, not with those who were already here and were told that they would only have to pay $10 to do so.If anyone knows of any other native sites out there that would be good to connect with please let me know. I prefer the ones that are honest and hold to their words!I am very disappointed in this and the wrongful actions that are being taken by the owners of this site. You cannot achieve your goal of 'one people one voice' when you are not honest and show deceit in the process, no trust can be established with such things. (2008-03-20 19:30:05.979678) #163814

#8190 Re: New pricing plan? - This is Chief Pappy, if you previously upgraded, your status as a star member will be retained. Effective upon the change, all new members coming in or those that have not already upgraded will need to upgrade at least once to get full site privileges. Hope this clarifies things. Thanks. Chief Pappy. (2008-03-23 20:12:47.869498) #489

#8192 Re: New pricing plan? - How do you upgrade without having to pay? (2008-03-24 03:55:13.062151) #163814

#8193 Re: New pricing plan? - Members can upgrade for free by sending in or faxing in a copy of their native american id card, usually issued by their home rez, or a copy of a paystub from a native american owned and operated organization. (2008-03-24 08:17:01.512009) #489

#8196 Re: New pricing plan? - I am sorry chief and others my tribal information my husband and I do not feel comfortable mailing information in to a site we are afraid of identity theft.We hate our cards the way it is....I feel strapped for my hubby and i belong here and we LOVE the people here this IS the best site. I am sorry we will not be able to pay. I would of liked to have a donation or someone have something each month up on the board to sell to donate to the site etc. to run on proceeds then to have all members giving one hundred dollars.I like to see things helped with members helping, but then...who am I.I hope you will decide to keep Tatanka and myself Iktomesapa. I know others are extremly upset by the money issue, maybe others can help find ways we can help run this site yet maintain our relationships? Any ideas ppl?Hugglers to you AllIktomesapa (2008-03-29 23:20:40.21756) #166717

#8198 Re: New pricing plan? - You bring up a very good and wise point and one that does need to be taken very seriously. Not many people are going to be comfortable with releasing such personal information to those they do not know. Idenity theft is a very big issue in this country and I would not recommend to anyone to forward their personal ID information to anyone on this site or any other site. Also paystubs have listed on them your social security number also. I don't think the owners of this site gave thought to this with their request, but it was very thoughtful of you to post your concerns on the matter. (2008-03-30 12:52:26.40839) #163814

#8199 Re: New pricing plan? - Tribal America does not need to see your private information including social security number etc. We simply need proof of tribal affiliation, either by id or by paystub. Instructions for the different ways to get an upgrade are available on the upgrade/donate page. As a last resort, please feel free to contact me directly by e-mail. Sincerely, Chief Pappy. (2008-03-30 15:23:37.419729) #489

#8202 Re: New pricing plan? - i recently got to know this site was tribal singles before i didnt know that, i have signed in TS years ago and i have signed in TA longer time ago as well i came here cause friends recommended this site to me and i started to like it very much. i also recommended this site to other native friends i got and they are all members now.if i had the money i would pay but simply said i need every cent at moment.i have been sick a long time and in the same situation many natives are as well (im not native)-im unable to pay at moment, my bank wont gimme a cent, im selfemployed and gotto live on what i earn ( on some days i dont earn anything) i also started a second job to minimize or help me with my monthly fixcosts and ill have to get a third job for a while as well till my buisness ( im a veterinary ) recovers. opposite to the vets in the states or canada we are too many in my country and several fight to survive and make a living. if i had the money id move but i even cant that. if i had the money id pay but i seriously cant at moment afford. at this moment i wanted to thank that native friend who offered to pay this site for me but i couldnt take the offer cause i know he has to fight for a living himself.i cant give out my creditcardno on the internet and its of no use either cause my bank controlls where the money goes and takes it back as soon they realize i try to change euros into dollars. i can try to send in an envelope to the addy the admin gave me as soon i can afford( its needs years to recover a vetpractice here i even dont know if i can) but it mite get lost on postal way.i hope that at least the chat stays free cause i made many friends here and really like this site. okay i dont find more words to say to this topic, sorry, bee (2008-04-04 11:40:57.926493) #162982

#8217 Re: New pricing plan? - I rarely come here now but have to voice my objections to the new pricing plan. When I joined via Scotland Singles way back in 2003 I paid for lifetime membership. That is exactly what I expect to be provided. If Raj wants to change the rules now I expect a refund of my membership payment. (2008-04-23 10:35:37.327965) #103350

#8221 Re: New pricing plan? - I am struggling to understand here because it says that a NA can upgrade for free but no mention of other ethnicities. Are you hoping to allow NA's have a free site because we others are paying for it??? I'm not native but it sounds Racist besides other things...This site is supposed to be for NA's only but that's also Racist and the one off life time membership fee that people paid but are now being told they have to pay again is illegal and I will surely be investigating this further until it is resolved. This shouldn't be allowed, this site seems to create quite a bit of Racism as it is without the owners encouraging it. Or is that yr aim??? Are the owners NA? (2008-05-04 10:28:49.384967) Anon

#8222 Re: New pricing plan? - Asking people to send in personal information is wrong and unacceptable and this site has changed somewhat since December last year in a negative way...Why??? I will not be paying for a membership here because the owners keep changing the rules around payment. Any business knows that when changing things money wise it should not affect the current customer and the rules that surround him/her unless the structure was made to be able to change things in the future affecting everyone. If someone pays for a lifetimes use then that is their legal right to do so. (2008-05-04 10:35:07.601842) Anon

#8223 Re: New pricing plan? - ANON, this site is not racist and never has been. If you will look further into our site,we welcome Native Americans and our friends. We do this as to help those that are not Native Americans to learn from us and about us. Native Americans do and can get free membership, why, because we realize that many are not able to pay the fee and welcome them. Any personnal information that is sent showing a persons tribal status, can be blocked out. I can certainly tell you are NOT native by your words. We regreted having to ask members to re-uprade, but it was either get more money to run this site or shut it down. We opted to keep it running as we believe this site is valuable to many of our Native Sisters and Brothers and our friends. The only racism being created here is by you ANON. Investigate all you wish. If you will read about who owns this site, you will plainly see that they are not Native Americans. We have never tried to hide this fact. I believe it says alot about the people who own this site wanting to help Native Americans when they themselves are not. I admire and respect them for that very much. I am sure that I am not the only one here on the site that feels that way. No one is forcing you to visit this site. (2008-05-06 01:07:30.326987) #47103

#8224 Re: New pricing plan? - I think the point 'Anon' is making is that if you give the service free to Native Americans and charge every other ethiticy, then that is a form of racism and, I do believe, against the 14th amendment. I think the other point 'Anon' is making is that there was no disclaimer, that I recall, stating that the meaning of the word lifetime was at the discreation of the site owner. I would also like to point out that we are not being asked to upgrade we are being made too. It is not a choice of not wanting to visit the site, it is a matter of not being able to because of the new charges. I can understand that there is a cost but lets be real here $99.00 times the number of members well exceeds what the cost would be to keep this site going. That is an excess profit going to the site owners and is hard to justify to established members, esp since they had already paid for a lifetime membership. Also, I had intended to make a donation when my taxes came, however, after being forced to, I decided it wasn't worth it. It becomes a matter of prinicples. (2008-05-07 21:01:21.663442) #163814

#8225 Re: New pricing plan? - #163814 I don't know where you got the idea that membership was $99.00. Maybe you should check it again. Membership starts at $20,for a a limited time and then you have $50, our regular price. (2008-05-08 01:18:24.896079) #47103

#8226 Re: New pricing plan? - I got my information from this site where it had stated that after June the cost for membership would be 99.00 so hurry up and upgrade for 50.00 You can make all the changes to the screens you want and make it look as you wish but I know what I read back when I first started this tread and shortly afterwards. But there was a disclaimer encouraging everyone to hurry up and upgrade now at 50.00 before the cost went up to 99.00 starting June. (2008-05-08 08:46:10.393773) #163814

With all due respect...I see no where on your forum that states a fee is no longer charged...and that all members will receive their money back from your new pricing plan payments....or indeed from paying for a lifetime membership. Each forum posting is dated.

Also...you claimed today:

At the time that was posted the site was free Tsisqua and you know darn well it was.

And now please see:

#8217 Re: New pricing plan? - I rarely come here now but have to voice my objections to the new pricing plan. When I joined via Scotland Singles way back in 2003 I paid for lifetime membership. That is exactly what I expect to be provided. If Raj wants to change the rules now I expect a refund of my membership payment. (2008-04-23 10:35:37.327965) #103350

Can you explain this? Or explain why I myself was asked for a membership fee? Or all your other members from as far back as you'd like to go? I do still have the emails to prove this...and will post them if necessary.

[frederica]

Would you PLEASE take this fight somewhere else. Last time I will ask.

[Lonefeather]

I will admit, tensions are high and many are wording thier posts in a manner that proves to be the case.However,the truth that has been proven within these posts is being over looked it seems to me.Why are we attacking eachother?

This is the frauds thread...and fraud has been exposed...the proof is there for all to read.Tsissy has given us all evidence to back her words.Rq is allowed to out right call her a liar without anwering any one question that was asked.Fredrica...you banned Tsissy from posting, have you also banned RQ?I see Tsissy backing her words with proof, as I also see not one of her questions being truthfully answered as to how all of the "donations" given to TA can be accounted for.TA claims to be a free site and yet the price to become a star member is ever rising.This makes no sense to me.

I thought the purpose of NAFPS was to expose these issues and to investigate them.I understand that both sides must be investigated out of all fairness, but in my opinion, what is going on here is unfair.Is this site run by Natives?Would someone please clear this up...for I am confused!
Lonefeather

[frederica]

Really, to my knowledge no one has been banned.  This same argument has been going on for several months.  I asked them to take their fight elsewhere.  That argument serves no purpose. It is never ending. One opinion against another.  I have yet to see the files that claim corruptiion. It is just another Internet Intertribal culture group that seems to be run by people from India. It looks like a business. If you do not like an Internet group you are involved in, you simply get out, quit.  Most die a natural death anyway. Why keep ruminating about i? Never jump to conclusions.

[Tsisqua]

Posted by: frederica  Posted on: Yesterday at 06:10:14 pm 
Insert Quote 
Really, to my knowledge no one has been banned.  This same argument has been going on for several months.  I asked them to take their fight elsewhere.  That argument serves no purpose. It is never ending. One opinion against another.  I have yet to see the files that claim corruptiion. It is just another Internet Intertribal culture group that seems to be run by people from India. It looks like a business. If you do not like an Internet group you are involved in, you simply get out, quit.  Most die a natural death anyway. Why keep ruminating about i? Never jump to conclusions.

That's fine...and you are entitled to your opinion as are we...we've taken the matter elsewhere now, to those who are actually concerned about this and who believe in doing the right thing about such frauds...not picking and chosing whats important....frauds are frauds...and fakes are fakes...and I know these people will get the job done...afterall...they've many years of experience of dealing with Native Injustice, successfully I might add...and are well know for their work...they clearly see there is a huge issue with regards to TA and monies being taken in under false pretenses..and have been watching this thread a while now, not to mention others..Oh...and the IRS are looking into this FYI. I wont post about it here again....it will be dealt with away from here....with native people...since its evidently a native concern.

With Respect,

Tsissy

[wredgranny]

"Really, to my knowledge no one has been banned.  This same argument has been going on for several months.  I asked them to take their fight elsewhere.  That argument serves no purpose. It is never ending. One opinion against another.  I have yet to see the files that claim corruptiion. It is just another Internet Intertribal culture group that seems to be run by people from India. It looks like a business. If you do not like an Internet group you are involved in, you simply get out, quit.  Most die a natural death anyway. Why keep ruminating about i? Never jump to conclusions."

 The very IMPORTANT point,Fredica is it is a group own by "India" Peoples,NOT any of the Nations of Turtle Island. I went there to ask a simple question in their "chat",and was deeply insulted,spoke to with great disrespect,asked if I would "like" to be made "India" Indian by "injection" by one the males there. Is that a way YOU would LIKE to be spoken to? You find that "cute",funny or appropriate way to speak to an older woman? Charge or no(and they WERE charging) to join,they CLAIMING it is a site for "Native Americans" and then treat them this way? IT IS NOT intertribal of OUR Nations,it is whites,and those from India,making fun of,an exploiting those of our Nations. IS this NAFPS,a place to bring our issues with being mistreated,cheated,and stolen from,or is it one more yonega group,who pick an choose the "battles" they think bring them excitement,and exposure,to make the Admin,look good?, Like you any of you truly CARE about our Peoples and their daily fight to survive,and be respected in our own country!
granny