Tsisqua, I don't understand why you get so hostile when people ask you what seem to
me to be reasonable questions. It would help if you would stop reading malicious intentions in there i don't have.
I mainly posted what I did because I don't know if the information is relevent, but I want it to be available to people in case it is.
Actually I've refrained from posting some of the accusations I found over on tribal America that named people and claimed Native people were being abused by non natives. It seems very similar to most message board in that lots of people over there were claimimg to feel abused. There is thin bloods complaining of being abused by full bloods and fullbloods claiming to be abused by thin bloods and Whites and Mexicans and Puerto Ricans complaining they don't feel welcome. From what I saw , people of all races were reporting experiencing hostility at TA for at least a year .
I'm not saying people didn't get abused over there, but nothing you posted showed any actual abuse. All I read, was people complaining they felt abused. Well yes I agree there is lots of people commenting on that over there, but it is the same sort of stuff that happens on many message boards.
If I wanted to discredit you I would have posted some of these accusations which named names ... And your name did come up in several posts where accusations of abuse were made - but - people in cyberspace accuse people of all sorts of stuff and if people don't read the whole interaction I don't think it's fair to make judgments about who did what to who. And I don't know what may have been removed. For example here you are accusing me of some agenda to discredit you - Nope. Not at all ... So an accusation or a perception that some attack or abuse happened isn't necessarily true. I just notice when things don't add up and it bothers me. It makes me think either I don't have all the facts or someone is not being truthful. Either way there is a problem , so I ask about it.
For example , it isn't clear how you got from feeling this on November 8 2007
ttp://www.tribalamerica.com/cgi-bin/fp.pl?fn=f&tp=2020&m=
Tsisqua
Re: Support Chief Pappy - I have read the posting Sparrow and I whole heartedly agree...Pappy without a shadow of a doubt deserves the honorary title of 'Chief Pappy' for all he does for us here, for our people, the constant never ending hard work and sacrifice Pappy makes to unite our people, all the things he does behind the scenes that people here do not realise or know of to keep this site going...I am proud to have him as a brother, proud to stand beside him....no matter Pappy's origin, he truly is Native in Heart and Spirit, and as I say so very often in chat and various other places here....it is not blood quantum, origin etc that determines who you are....but your heart....and we all know Pappy has a heart of pure gold. Very seldom do we come across such people as Chief Pappy...honor him we must...we love you Pappy! ??Tsisqua?? (2007-11-08 12:58:57.88926)
To feeling he is a self proclaimed Chief and this is a problem, on Dec 22 , 2007
Tribal America
« on: December 22, 2007, 04:08:58 pm
Tsisqua
The issue here, is the owners/overseers of this site. Chief pappy, a self proclaimed Chief, is from India, not in the least Native American although he takes great pleasure in appearing on webcam wearing an eagle feather in a headband, and has no trouble taking money from Native people.
As I think I said before, many dating websites charge a fee. I'm not sure that is abusive though the archived webpage that advertised a 10$ membership to non natives to talk to "Live Indians" who supposedly got a free membership did seem to verge on being exploitive.
I do wonder about any group which claims to represent a united Native voice which says it doesn't care if people have green yellow or orange blood, as it seems this could be largely a group of PODIAs , or even non natives claiming to be PODIAs, but as long as people were careful to support the recognized tribes and not come in with their own agendas and entitlements , maybe this could work in a good way. I'm not sure.
I don't want to fight with you . A lot of what you are doing seems to be good things. Just some things don't seem to add up. I'm not saying there is any wrong doing going on here , just some things seem peculiar, and i want to make sure the information about this past history is not lost so people can come to their own conclusions.
