/../ It is a matter of respect that you don't seem to have./../I can understand how you would think that you are right by listen to these guy who travel to Europe but they are not right.
abuse is abuse no matter what claim you make.
It's easy to say that I have no respect - it's easier than explain, for sure.
I'm drilling into this issues to know better. This is not lack of respect, this is my interest. If you want someone to know about truth, pls explain. If you don't want, what for is all of this internet fight against fraud?
What I'm saying is: face-to-face contacts give information different than yours. Yes, it's possible that all native Indians who came to Poland and all white people who claim they have permission to do things are just bunch of idiots or simply corrupted individuals seeking for money and willingly destroying native Indian culture. But probability of such situation is low.
I can understand now that there're at least two different viewpoints. You present one, other people present another. You show this document, the proclamation - this is important thing and should be known to anyone who happens to get in touch with Dakota/Lakota culture.
However, while searching this forum, I've been getting more and more suspicious. Some examples:
Michael Harner - for sure his works are controversial. He's not however, exploting rules of the proclamation, as I can understand it. What he uses or teaches is just drumming (not forbidden by any law) and creating visions(not forbidden so far). Usage of words "shamanic", "shaman" is a little controversial, but not forbidden (the word spread from Ewenk culture through the world).
Stanislav Grof - interesting person, born just next to Poland, in Czech. AFAIK he teaches his own invented method of holotropic breathing. No fraud there.
Celtic culture - now this is interesting. There are people who feel like being a part of Celtic culture even if they live in U.S. and only their ancestors lived in Celtic lands (Ireland, Scotland, Britanny, Wales etc.) However, there's no point in fighting with "not-so-true" Celtic culture followers, because nearly all Celtic rituals are recreated in modern times.
Archeologists say Celtic nations lived on the territory of Poland. More than likely that lot of Poles have Celtic ancestors. Our culture have a lot in common with "Celtic nations" cultures, e.g. we have more types of bagpipes than all modern Six Celtic nations alltogether... There're even language similiarities. I've been living in Scotland for some time and was several times mistaken as Scottish Gaelic speaker. I even do speak some (not much though) Scottish Gealic. Am I a person that can use Celtic recreated rituals? Would I be hunted and put on fraud list if I recreate Celtic rituals? I don't want to, I'm just asking.
Now to the point. I can understand you fight with "sweat lodge fraud" or whatever you call it. You have some points, my lack of knowledge and lack of face-to-face contact with native Indians nations doesn't give me a chance to verify them. It's just a website against other websites.
IMHO there's no sense in seeking fraud in recreated rites or ceremonies like those connected to e.g. modern Celts. Why are you doing this?
Your credibility is lowered by some obviously false frauds published here. Many websites quite accurate point your errors, e.g.
http://newagefraud .blogspot.com
At the end we are with checking who belongs to what culture. How can we check this for sure? Only by DNA tests. There were people in the past, who verified another people by their blood. It didn't end well.
"Indian sweat lodge" can be an issue, I have too little knowledge to verify this for sure. However, more and more I read pages of this forum it seems you've lost sense of reality somewhere in the way. I hope you wake up, will all respect to all great cultures we speak about.
