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Re: Blackwater Muskogee tribe
« Reply #120 on: August 09, 2009, 01:08:31 am »
Hi Don

There is a long thread where this was discussed with Zoi Lightfoot and Linda Lou starting here.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1390.0

I'm not sure what else to say, as context is important and I don't want to just point out what IMO seems most relevent. To get the whole picture , you would probably need to read the whole thread. I guess it might help to pack a bag lunch and have whatever you use as headache medicine on hand , as it is a lot to get through.

Asking the Canadian Assembly of First Nations if they support these peoples claims, sounds like a really good idea! It will be interesting to hear what they have to say!

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Re: Blackwater Muskogee tribe
« Reply #121 on: September 22, 2009, 03:20:02 am »
MUSKOKEE-POWWOW-TIME IN SEPTEMBER
9. NATIVE AMERICAN POW-WOW
Blackwater Band of Lower Muskokees e.V.
12. & 13. September 2009
in Heilbronn-Horkheim, Germany
auf dem Gelände neben dem Steinbruchbetrieb BMK
Anfahrt Horkheim

This Pow-wow is dedicated to
our European host as a cultural exchange of friendship
 
Special Guests (Subject to change)
Trisha Nell Sokolowski & son Cherokee
Barbara Kaden Wetz Ojibwa
Brenda Volle Ojibwa
Liz Roemer Cherokee-Creek
Linda Lou Flewin Micmac

Rita Schmidt Ojibwa
Lakishia Wallace Choctaw
Larry Wynn & family Lakota
Alan Roy & family Lakota
Willie James Summers Cherokee
Robert Wallace & family Ojibwa
Bryan K McCollum & family Creek
Robert Parker & family Ojibwa
Peter Woener Choctaw-Creek
John Blackbird Cree
Frank Barber Shawnee
Elder Mark Kretschmer
Bill & Antonia Westerfield
Jack & Gabe Weber

MC: Willi James Summers & Mark Kretschmer
AD: Alan Roy & Bill Westerfield
Men’s Head Dancer: Robert Wallace & Jack Weber
Women’s Head Dancer: Lakishia Wallace & Antonia Westerfield
Host Drum: Wicahpi Oyate Drum aus der Schweiz
Guest Drum: Sweetgrass Indian Drum Singers aus Deutschland
Amp & Sound Techniker: Heinz Wellmann

Pow-wow Organisations-Kontaktperson: Benny & Marianne Auer Tel. 0162-2923763 (Benny) oder Tel. 0173-4305647 (Marianne)



loudcrow and crazyeagle . . . How was the powwow?
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Offline Don Naconna

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Re: Blackwater Muskogee tribe
« Reply #122 on: September 22, 2009, 02:21:53 pm »
I have received no reply from the Assembly of First Nations. I doubt if they know anything about these so called ambassadors. I think they have misrepresented themselves. You have to have some credentials from your own government to call your self a representative of that government. These folks appear to have appointed themselves ambassadors.

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Re: Blackwater Muskogee tribe
« Reply #123 on: September 25, 2009, 06:37:59 am »
MUSKOKEE-POWWOW-TIME IN SEPTEMBER
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. . . How was the powwow?

Absage des 9. american Native Pow Wow 12/13.09.09 Heilbronn ( 1 | 2 | 3 | » )

http://www.forumromanum.de/member/forum/entry_ubb.user_288051.2.1108034889.1108034889.1.absage_des_american_native_pow_wow_heilbronn-indianer_nordamerikas.html

Absage des 9. american Native Pow Wow 12/13.09.09 Heilbronn, 19 Aug. 2009 15:58 

BLACKWATER BAND OF LOWER MUSKOKEES e.V. GERMANY
Vorsitzender: Larry D. Nichols
Holunderweg 7, 74080 Heilbronn, Germany
Tel. 07131/1359145 / 01522-8925074
Email: larry.nichols@hotmail.de
Homepage: www. muskokee.de


18. August 2009
Liebe Powwow-Besucher und Freunde der indianischen Kultur,
leider müssen wir Ihnen mitteilen, dass das angekündigte 9. American Native Powwow am 12. und 13. September 2009 in Horkheim nicht stattfindet. Diese Entscheidung ist uns nicht leicht gefallen und wir bitten an dieser Stelle vielmals um Ihr Verständnis.

Der Verein der Blackwater Band of Lower Muskokees e.V. Germany und ich persönlich standen in den letzten Monaten aufgrund einer Vielzahl von negativen Äußerungen unter enormen Druck und dass nur, weil wir uns seit Gründung des Vereins für die Aufrechterhaltung und den Schutz der Kultur und der Traditionen der Natives einsetzen und jeglichen Missbrauch ablehnen bzw. bekämpfen. In meiner Position als 1. Vorsitzender denke ich, dass es daher im besten Interesse unserer Mitglieder, Familien und der Leute, die uns über die Jahre hinweg unterstützt haben ist, dieses Powwow abzusagen.

Wir setzen hiermit auch ein Zeichen gegen den Missbrauch und Ausverkauf der Kultur und den Traditionen der Natives, welcher ganz besonders in der letzten Zeit in Deutschland bzw. in anderen Ländern stattfindet. Besonders Personen, die die heiligen Zeremonien der Natives (z.B. den Sonnentanz) hier praktizieren bzw. durch ihre Teilnahme unterstützen, beteiligen sich maßgeblich an diesem Missbrauch und wir lehnen es ab, diese Personen als Freunde der indianischen Kultur anzuerkennen, oder sie an unseren Aktivitäten teilnehmen zu lassen. Die nicht zutreffenden Äußerungen in den verschiedenen Internet-Foren bestärken uns umso mehr, uns von solchen Personen zu distanzieren.

Das 9. Native American Powwow wird im Mai 2010 in Mengen, Germany, stattfinden. Ich möchte mich persönlich bei allen, die geplant haben, unser Powwow in Horkheim zu besuchen bzw. daran teilzunehmen, für eventuelle Unannehmlichkeiten entschuldigen und bitte um Ihr Verständnis für diese Entscheidung. Bitte unterstützen Sie uns weiterhin in unserer Arbeit zum Schutz der Kultur und Traditionen der Native American Bevölkerung.

Wir werden in der Zukunft noch intensiver für die Wahrung der Interessen und zum Schutz der Native American Bevölkerung, deren Kultur und Traditionen eintreten. Ich danke hier ganz besonders für die Unterstützung und Hilfe der Stämme und der Ältesten in den USA, die gemeinsam mit uns hieran arbeiten.

Mit großem Respekt sehen wir der Zusammenarbeit mit unseren Freunden in Europa entgegen, die uns in unserem Anliegen unterstützen und uns in ihrem Land willkommen heißen. Alle, die sehen und verstehen, was der indianischen Kultur und den Traditionen angetan wird und die uns in unserer Arbeit unterstützen, möchte ich sagen „yes we can“, wenn wir gemeinsam daran arbeiten. Ohne Eure Hilfe und Unterstützung wird es für die Native American sehr schwierig bzw. fast unmöglich dieses Ziel zu verwirklichen.

Wir freuen uns auf ein Wiedersehen bei unserem 9. Native American Powwow im Mai 2010 in Mengen, welches in liebender Erinnerung an meine Tante Delaine Elliott Davis und an Carol Middleton für ihr Lebenswerk „Among the Creeks“ gewidmet ist. Danke nochmals für Euer Verständnis und Eure Freundschaft.

Cehecires,
Larry D. Nichols
Vorsitzender BBLM e.V.


 
INGEBORG , PLEASE , CAN YOU TRANSLATE ?? THANK YOU.

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Re: Blackwater Muskogee tribe
« Reply #124 on: September 25, 2009, 10:32:28 am »
Here's a translation of the above quoted statement:




9th American Native Pow Wow Heilbronn, Sep 12/13, 2009, called off
posted: Aug 19, 2009

BLACKWATER BAND OF LOWER MUSKOKEES e.V. GERMANY
Chairperson: Larry D. Nichols
[...]
Homepage: www. muskokee.de

August 18, 2009

Dear Pow Wow guests and friends of Indian culture,

unfortunately we've got to announce that the 9th American Native [sic] Powwow on September 12 and 13, 2009, in the town of Horkheim will not take place. This decision has not been taken lightly and we ask for your understanding.

The Association Blackwater Band of Lower Muskokees e.V. [non-profit] Germany and I personally have been under an enormous pressure for the last months, due to a multitude of negative comments – and just because, since the association was first founded, we work for keeping up and for the protection of culture [sic] and the traditions of the Natives and reject any abuse resp. fight any abuse. In my position as a chairperson I believe that it is in the best interest of our members, families, and those persons who have supported us for years to call this Powwow off.

We also want to set a sign against abuse and sell-out of culture [sic] and traditions of Natives, which is happening especially recently in Germany resp other countries. Especially persons who practice sacred ceremonies of the Natives (e.g. Sun Dance) or support this by their participation, will actively take part in this abuse and we refuse to accept these persons as friend of the Indian culture [sic] or to let them participate in our activities. Inaccurate messages in various internet forums confirm us in distancing ourselves from such persons.

The 9th Native American Powwow will take place in May 2010 in the town of Mengen, Germany. I would like to thank all persons who planned to visit or participate in our powwow in Horkheim and ask for their understanding for this decision. Please do continue to support us in our work to protect culture [sic] and tradition of the Native American population.

We will intensify our work of preserving the interests and protect the Native American population and their culture and traditions. I express special thanks for the support and help of the tribes and Elders in the USA who work together with us in this.

With a great respect we anticipate cooperation with our friends in Europe who support us and welcome us to their country. To all who see and understand what is done to the Indian culture [sic] and the traditions and who support our work I would like to say: „Yes we can“, if we cooperate. Without your help and support, it will be difficult for Native American [sic], resp almost impossible, to realize this goal.

We look forward to meeting you again at our 9th Native American Powwow in Mengen in May 2010 which is dedicated in loving memory to my Aunt Delaine Elliott Davis and to Carol Middleton for her life-time work „Among the Creeks“. Thank you again for your understanding and your friendship.


Cehecires,
Larry D. Nichols
Chairperson BBLM e.V.

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Re: Blackwater Muskogee tribe
« Reply #125 on: September 25, 2009, 12:33:36 pm »

A guest poster going by the nick of Sanishava later on in the thread shed some light on where some of the participants in powwows here may come from:

guest Sanishava, posted on Aug 28, 2009 19:45 hrs

„My heart is filled deep with mourning, since the powwow in Mengen, my soul yearns to dance and pray with my brothers and sisters in Heilbronn.
In the material world of white people, my Indian soul again yearns for a meeting and I am looking forward to Mengen. What a pity, but the great spirit which ***erfüllen us all will know, why this has happened this way. When time has come, we will all meet again.“

This is her website:
http://www.sanishava.de/8.html

A mix of Reiki, a language spoken by angels, NLP etc. Seminars and healings promoted, with the price tag saying „0 Euro“. The guest book has all of two entries...

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Re: Blackwater Muskogee tribe
« Reply #126 on: September 26, 2009, 10:20:41 pm »
Thanks for translating, Ingeborg. It's good to know that it was cancelled. Now, if we could put these wannabes out of business permanently. Guess it's one powwow at a time.

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Re: Blackwater Muskogee tribe
« Reply #127 on: October 07, 2009, 01:53:49 am »
Ingeborg and I received mail from Larry Nichols yesterday.
We thought we'd share with y'all.



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NAFPS spitting snake poison
From:  Larry Nichols (larry.nichols@hotmail.de)  
Sent: Mon 10/05/09 10:17 AM
To:  Bonnie Singleton (xxxxx); Ingeborg (xxxxx)

Ms. Bonnie Singleton,

it is obvious that you could use some professional help with the slander that you are doing at this NAFPS hate web site. Get a life nobody!

P.S. BTW, our 9th Native American powwow will be on the 22 & 23 of May 2010 in Mengen, Germany. So Ms Bonnie Singleton aka (bls926), you and your sidekicks can run your snake poison all you want too! You have nothing to say to me or my family. Also, German School Teacher Ms. Ingeborg, your translations are not very good at all for you being a School teacher, go ahead, show us how intelligent you are.



For the record: Your slander and other sick insulting commits with be recorded for future legal investigations.  



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Re: Blackwater Muskogee tribe
« Reply #126 on: September 26, 2009, 04:20:41 PM »  
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Thanks for translating, Ingeborg. It's good to know that it was cancelled. Now, if we could put these wannabes out of business permanently. Guess it's one powwow at a time.



Note: I've deleted our e-mail addresses.
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Re: Blackwater Muskogee tribe
« Reply #128 on: October 09, 2009, 09:39:16 pm »
ach, wir wollen wieder gegen alle und jeden klagen--- na, wie schöööön....

oh man, hat da einer eigentlich keine anderen Hobbys?

Es ist schon komisch, das alle anderen blöd sind, die nicht der eigenen Meinung entsprechen....

kopfschüttelnd- ELke

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Re: Blackwater Muskogee tribe
« Reply #129 on: October 10, 2009, 03:03:58 pm »
ach, wir wollen wieder gegen alle und jeden klagen--- na, wie schöööön....

oh man, hat da einer eigentlich keine anderen Hobbys?

Es ist schon komisch, das alle anderen blöd sind, die nicht der eigenen Meinung entsprechen....

kopfschüttelnd- ELke


Will someone please translate?

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Re: Blackwater Muskogee tribe
« Reply #130 on: October 12, 2009, 12:00:03 pm »
I wrote it in German slang...

He wants to frighten everybody- he is sending letters to all and anybody, who has a different view to the world. He says to all and everybody, that he will  take proceedings against them.

I ask if he has no other hobbies than this.

It seems that in his eyes, everybody than him is stupid....
How can sombody have so much hate in himself?
- This must be exhausting....

mhmmmm...

Best regards from ELke

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Re: Blackwater Muskogee tribe
« Reply #131 on: October 12, 2009, 01:25:56 pm »
I wrote it in German slang...

He wants to frighten everybody- he is sending letters to all and anybody, who has a different view to the world. He says to all and everybody, that he will  take proceedings against them.

I ask if he has no other hobbies than this.

It seems that in his eyes, everybody than him is stupid....
How can sombody have so much hate in himself?
- This must be exhausting....

mhmmmm...

Best regards from ELke

Thank you, Elke.

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Re: Blackwater Muskogee tribe
« Reply #132 on: October 12, 2009, 05:34:07 pm »
oh not for this (just my English is not as good as it should be)

I think you should not be afraid of-

when I once had him at the telephone, I just wondered how many people he "would kik in her as" (as he said- it was the most heard term..booohr...mhmmm...)
And nobody beside him is NA ( also many well known NA living here)- I just shaked me head and wondered about....

How can somebody be so full of hate against the world!

Don't be afraid of...

Greetings from Elke

---The statement he wrote why canceling his powwow- everybody here wondered about. Some people, who wanted to go there, because they didn't want to go to Westerwald Powwow ( Jacki and Tdom bah) were much afraid of. These powwows should have been at the same weekend. But at the end- many of the dancers stayed at home- Also I think because some ugly thinks were brought up to the light- also here in this forum.


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Re: Blackwater Muskogee tribe
« Reply #133 on: October 13, 2009, 05:24:57 am »
oh not for this (just my English is not as good as it should be)

I think you should not be afraid of-

when I once had him at the telephone, I just wondered how many people he "would kik in her as" (as he said- it was the most heard term..booohr...mhmmm...)
And nobody beside him is NA ( also many well known NA living here)- I just shaked me head and wondered about....

How can somebody be so full of hate against the world!

Don't be afraid of...

Greetings from Elke

---The statement he wrote why canceling his powwow- everybody here wondered about. Some people, who wanted to go there, because they didn't want to go to Westerwald Powwow ( Jacki and Tdom bah) were much afraid of. These powwows should have been at the same weekend. But at the end- many of the dancers stayed at home-Also I think because some ugly thinks were brought up to the light- also here in this forum.



Larry Nichols is not Native American. Yes, he is a Creek descendant, but he is not Indian. He is not enrolled in either of the legitimate Creek Nations and does not speak for the Creek people.

If the truth, the facts, we've presented here on this forum played even a small part in the decision to cancel his powwow, we've accomplished a good thing. As I said before, one powwow at a time. Maybe one day soon, Europeans will quit playing Indian.


I'm not afraid. I have truth on my side.

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Re: Blackwater Muskogee tribe
« Reply #134 on: April 10, 2010, 08:20:16 pm »
Larry Nichols has set up a new organization.


United Native American Council Association Europe eV
 
Chairman Larry D. Nichols
Holunderweg 7
74080 Heilbronn
Mobile: 01522-8925074
Landline: 07131-1359145
E-mail: @ larry.nichols hotmail.de
Homepage: www.muskokee.de


9th NATIVE AMERICAN POW-WOW
UNITED NATIVE AMERICAN ASSOCIATION COUNCIL EUROPE eV
22nd & 23 May 2010
in 88512 Mengen district of Sigmaringen, Germany
on the grounds of the festival amounts.
 
Patronage is the city amounts i.V. Mr. Mayor Bubeck.


http://www.muskokee.de/


This year's powwow is being organized by this new organization and Nichols as their chairman. The previous eight were organized by Nichols and the Blackwater Muskogee. The Blackwater are mentioned throughout the website, so I'm not sure what the motivation was. It is a little more difficult to find current information on the Blackwater Muskogee. That may have been his reason for setting up this new name.

There are pictures of his last 8 powwows on this site as well Mvskoke history.