All,
I welcome the discussion and the thread move, thanks.
I can't respond to all of it of course and as I started this as a fact finding thread I will have to digest what I feel is proper and of course disregard what I think is not. One of the things I will dismiss right off the bat is the things said in a link posted to
http://cheroketribe.tripod.com/. This is clearly a web site put up by a disgruntled "crank". I see posts like this all the time, mostly about the Sheriff in my home county <ha,ha>. but you can find posts just like this about any/every person in public office.
I seem to find the things said in a link posted by Kathryn's post #4 to be one side of the story (that's a good thing) yet others say something else,
I think the point that the link was trying to make was rebutted by frederica in the post right under it that said.
Don't blame you. Anyone that is talked about pilfering ceremonial items should be banished. There are some States that have a good format for recognition of these States tribes. Some do not. The Echota Cherokee, at one time, claimed around 20,000 members. All 1/4 or above. There has been some questionable dealings also. I heard they has some unexpected visitors checking them out, not too long ago. Many of their members are legitimate. It's a shame when the bad overrides to good. frederica
so this is why I ask for discussion. Like the discussion in another thread about The United Cherokee Indian Nation. The points over there are all bad ones but the thread replies are on topic and seem to have validity (even if it is bad).
Moma_porcupine made a point of pointing out that she was talking about the
Pequot tribe NOT the Echota Cherokee ...
I don't think anyone would have thought that I was saying that you said this about the Echota Tribe of Alabama as I did say at the start of quoting you "(but to be fair, [she] was talking about a certain Tribe)". I was pointing out that you gave your personal recognition to a Tribe that wasn't Fed. listed. As did several others in the original thread about several other Tribes.
(sorry if you took that quote otherwise)
educatedindian said "I should also point out there are several groups calling themselves Echota...."
As I understand it there is one "Echota Tribe of Alabama" with 7 sub clans. The Deer and Wolf, Paint and ect... The sub clans are semi-autonomous but under the main Tribe's control. I may be wrong on this but that is what I got from their web sites.
As for Tribes in Georgia or other states,,, well I was only asking about this one Tribe in Alabama. With the intent of discussing "Their" merits and/or faults. bringing up these other tribes only leads to lumping them all into the same lot that the CNO does. and I would point out that some of the Tribes that the original thread discussed favorably are also on the CNO's list.
@Rattlebone ,
"As far as the Echota Cherokee he mentioned, I believe them to be a bogus tribe which as you can see has been also pointed out by Kathryn".
I think that Kathryn only used the rubber stamp from the CNO's Task Force to try to make her point. ( I mean no disrespect to Kathryan), but I feel that she gave me someone else's opinion, not hers.
And so far LittleOldMan seems to be the only one here that knows anything about this Tribe. But to be Most fair and open for discussion, would you Please give me your thoughts as to why you personally think they are Bogus? Throughout the original thread you seem to be very open to the idea that "Real" Tribes do exist that don't have the required BIA documentation to get fed approval. You made points in a much better way than I could have ever done. I especially liked your points about Tribes splitting off from other ones.
@LittleOldMan
You said that two or three years ago there was a split in the tribe over politics and money.
Please go on,,, This is what I was asking for. A discussion about "This Tribe" from those who know, (hell I already know what the CNO thinks about them). Tell me more.