I don't remember what Tribe, but there are Fed. Tribes that use this classification. I didn't thunk it up. Members have all of the same rights as Citizens do except that they can't live on the rez or receive monies.
<There are no other Cherokee Tribes> Yes there are,,, Get you head out of the sand. you just don't like it. I understand that. I also understand that there are those (The Task Farce) that may be trying to change that FACT but I don't think they will be able to do that.
<They are not citizens of the Cherokee Nation>
Nor do they want to be. The sad FACT is they the CNO as much as they would like it are NOT the only Cherokee Tribe.
And FYI the CNO does have 2 type of CLUBS, as you put it. It's a step in the right direction.
I think you missed the point I was making. Nation/Tribe vs Club. Someone is a citizen of their Nation, a member of a Club. You are born a citizen and will die a citizen, unless you renounce your citizenship. You join a club and as long as you continue to pay your dues you will remain a member. There are three legitimate Cherokee Nations. There are hundreds of Cherokee Clubs.
No, Paul, there are not any other Cherokee Tribes. As stated above, there are hundreds of Cherokee Clubs, heritage societies. Some do this in a respectful way, others aren't so respectful. Those are the facts. What I don't like is all these other groups pretending to be Cherokee Tribes. They give all Cherokee descendants a bad name.
If the Echota Cherokee don't want to be citizens of the Cherokee Nation, why are they pretending to be part of it? The term Cherokee Nation refers to the historic Nation. I never said CNO was the only Cherokee Tribe. I know that the Cherokee Nation is now the EBCI, CNO, and UKB.
Please explain what you meant by "And FYI the CNO does have 2 type of CLUBS, as you put it."
bls926,
Respectfully, I fully understand what is intended to be a Nation. The 3 Fed Tribes ARE fully Nations (well as far as the USA will allow them to be). And some of the State Tribes IF they ever get Fed, recognition will be a Nation too, and I believe that until (if ever) they do get it they will only be a Tribe. And yes some are Clubs and say so in their names. And Sure there are a big bunch of Frauds. Now we can keep on trying to re-define the words Nation, Tribe, Club until we are blue in the face but the simple FACT is that someone else has already done that.
The Echota Tribe does NOT and has never (as far as I can tell ) claimed to be a part of the CNO. It would be nice if the two could be Brothers but hell, the CNO can't even get along with it's Keetoowah Brothers, so I know that ain't happening.
The 2 Clubs that the CNO have are their Satellite Communities and their First Families of the Cherokee Nation. There may be even more but these are 2 that I know about.
Links: http://www.cherokee.org/Organizations/Communities/Default.aspx
http://www.cherokeeheritage.org/cherokeeheritage/first_families.html
IF they ever get Fed, recognition will be a Nation too, and I believe that until (if ever) they do get it they will only be a Tribe.
You are really starting to sound uneducated when it comes to Native issues Paul. I don't mean it to insult you or belittle you, but rather point out facts about what you say as I see them.
The definition of a treaty is
" a signed agreement between to sovereign nations." So in this regards since the colonial powers, and later the United States signed treaties with our nations; they were recognizing we were sovereign nations.
In reality referring to our nations as
tribes is a misnomer,and I often times cringe at even using the word "tribe" in speaking of our nations. Referring to our nations as "tribes" to me belittles our confederacies, tribal governments etc that existed long before the coming of Europeans.
Even your usage here of the word tribe versus nations is hinting at the concept of a our political entities not being fully sovereign since you say out how you feel the "Echota are just a tribe now, but if recognized would be a nation." So what you are saying is that since the USG doesn't recognize them on the federal level they are just something called a "tribe," but if recognized would be a "Nation." So what you are doing here is down playing the fact that we have been political organizations (nations) long before the United States itself even existed.
If I were to play into your statement here on the usage of the word "tribe," I could still show great flaw and ignorance in your statements.
Taking from wikipedia, which I realize is not a good source, but works okay to this capacity in being used here; it defines tribes as the following:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tribe A tribe, viewed historically or developmentally, consists of a social group existing before the development of, or outside of, states.
Many anthropologists use the term to refer to societies organized largely on the basis of kinship, especially corporate descent groups (see clan and lineage).
Some theorists hold that tribes represent a stage in social evolution intermediate between bands and states. Other theorists argue that tribes developed after, and must be understood in terms of their relationship to, states. Now taking that into consideration, and to make a blanket statement about Native nations here in the western hemisphere I can say this.
Most tribes have interrelated family units that for the sake of this discussion I will called "clans." When you have several "clans" together they form "bands." Of course we can then deduct more then one band coming together would constitute the "tribe."
These Echota people I am sure have no real knowledge of what clans they might be from, if at all; with it being pretty obvious they most likely dont and if claim to do so, are just making it up.
So from a anthropological standpoint, these Echota people don't even have the basic building blocks in this society they are trying to gain recognition for, and claiming to be an authentic Cherokee population in doing so.
Then from there I am sure that everything else from language, ways etc are also absent. In this I believe the Echota are most likely trying to borrow known information from places like the Real Cherokee Nations themselves to obtain language knowledge etc.
