Moorish Science Temple

[E.P. Grondine]

... and now these sects all appear to be merging.

They are merging - it's a well organized computer mailing list/PR/publication distribution mechanism. Haven't read "Amazing Stories" yet, I see. PM me for a copy.

Insanity has a logic all its own.

[spinach]

The founder of MST was a man who went by the name Noble Drew Ali. He claimed mixed black & Cherokee descent. Allegedly his feathered turban was after the fashion of the Cherokee. He claimed that he was initiated by a priest in the Great Pyramid. Evidently he just mixed Masonic imagery with proto-New Age teachings. The "Koran" is partially plagiarized from another writers book about the alleged secret life of Jesus. MST inspired the later founding of the Nation of Islam in that Wallace Fard, Allah according to NOI, once was a member of MST. Many members of MST go by a Middle Eastern name, often with Bey (a Turkish name) as surname.

The history of these movements has been one of appropriating from a wide range of other cultures.

[Don Naconna]

Fard's followers now include lots of white people who claim to be "Moors". There are all sorts of myths that tie them to the so called "black Dutch". I believe many of the black followers became Nuwaubians/Washitaw/Black Hebrew and other black "Indian" cults.
As to the Cherokee "turbans" I read that some Cherokee chiefs visited England in the 18th century and saw the Turks wearing turbans. They took the custom back with them to America. There are Cherokee who subscribe to Islam, but not many as far as I know. I think most of these cults/sects are much bigger on the internet than in the real world...

[Don Naconna]

Determining whether religious groups are fraudulent or just misguided is difficult. However, this group and all of its abberations are clearly frauds. They may not sell ceremonies but the DO sell false indentity like Jerry Monroe and his phony tribe, the Binay...

[Don Naconna]

More on the Moors (Muurs) etc. This is from blackindiansopenforum@yahoogroups.com, a front for the Binay "tribe". What I think is important is that all these various black nationalist/separatist groups are all aligned with the Moors and the mythology of Van Sertima, the Black Olmecs, Atlantis and spaceships...

--- In blackIndiansopenforum@yahoogroups.com, Lamar Perryman <pharoahisrael@...> wrote:


 Greetings,
                 Bro. Amexem. I agree in principal and practice with what you have stated.
However for the sake of simplicity now the term " black " has become a common part of the dialogue of identity for Muurs/Moors in America today and I say this in reality while
not making an excuse for the misnomer of Dark and Brown-Skinned peoples being referred to as Black.
 I understand as well as you do that the term " black " and in some degree ' african " as a
term used to refer to the indigenous and aboriginal peoples of the world gained popularity and common usage from European-Caucasian colonialism and their racial philosophies.
 Be that as it may Muurs as well as other Ethnic Indigenous Aboriginal peoples on the Continents of Africa, Asia and The Americas have come a long long way in dispelling the racial myths about being dark-skinned or melanated human beings. The term " black " as used by most conscious Muurish-Americans in general is simply meant to respect and honor our struggle and illuminate our tribal and racial pride.
 We all know that Indigenous Peoples referred to ourselves as Ama Zulu, Akhan, Washita
Muur, Yoruba, Igbo, Tamil and all the other ethnic descriptions before the age of Euro-Colonialism. However we still have to deal with the reality of being known as " Black Peoples " and  " African Peoples " in the most positive, progressive and intelloigent
manner possible. The way that the world peoples see us now is just as important as we see ourselves in that regards. We should not hate to be called Black and African for we know what it really really means.!
 As for the terms Muur and Moor as ethnic designations it was my intention to show that
the Aboriginal Indigenous Muurs of America were not ethnically related to the Moors of West Africa before the African Moors migratory periods and the euro slave trade in which the two groups were then brought together.
 They were simply not of the same tribe and ethnic group before then. The Aboriginal Wahita Muurs are the oldest tribe and ethnic group of dark-skinned peoples living in the Western Hemisphere and are akin to the Dravidian, Tamil, Melanesian and Aboriginals of
Asia, Australia and the innumerable Islands Chains of the Indian, Atlantic and Pacific Oceans and their Anthropological and Archeaological presence and remains throughout the Western Hemisphere attests to this.
 I am also well aware of the Euro-Caucasians historical distortions and suppressions of the evidence of our Aboriginal Ancestors here and the pains that their educators have gone through in pretending that the Red-Yellow Indo-Oriental types were the only ones who migrated from Asia and populated the Early Americas while denying the large presences of the dark/brown-skinned aboriginals of this country and the western hemisphere.
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 As we return to our West African Roots of the Akhan, Mande, Yoruba, Igbo and Kongo and the Aboriginal Washita Muurs here in the USA and Western Hemisphere let us honor all of Our Native Afroasiatic Ancestries by sharing with our brothers and sisters that it is
because of our melanated essence that the terms Black and African are now so beautiful and to be valued instead of devalued.
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 On the other hand, in terms of ethnicity and nationality, we must use our ancestral definitions of identity to be recognized by the USA and the United Nations as a living,
thriving, real group of peoples who have a heritage and destiny here in this country among
the peoples of the world.  The restoration of our Land, Culture and Way of Life is the reparations that we need to atone for our de-humanization, the loss of our true physical nature and being de-spiritualized. This is the work of the real Muurish American Nationalists. This is the Democracy, Federalism and Republic that we are bringing about in  the Afrocentric or Afroasiatic sense of the reality in this nation.
 The present court case going before the U.S. Supreme Court about the rights of The Black Freedmen is a perfect example of this process taking place by confronting the faulty eurocentric definitions of Black/African peoples as just " slaves ' rather than as Human Beings and Native, Indigenous Aboriginal peoples. However I would like to note that this is not just a Supreme Court Case as powerful and defining as that is. It is also a matter of The
U.S. Congress, the State Legislatures, The City Councils, The County Commisioners and The Local School Boards everywhere in this nation. As Muurish Americans we have to hold our Elected Officials accountable on this matter whether they are a member of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC) , State Representatives or Local Leaders.
 Keep working on this matter in the area that you are in where you reside at and work at
and know that sometimes we just have to educate peoples by bringing this matter to their attention in the general community. The education of our peoples is still the key to our
accomplishment and success.
 As it is we are more closer to success now than we have ever been. The objective is in sight and well within our reach and grasp..
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 Stay strong. That is all.
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Hetep.
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MLP,
Pharoah Israel Bini Heru, Cougar Tribe at
The Muurish, Black Federal Nationalists.
--- On Wed, 11/11/09, Amexem INDIGENOUS Aboriginal <allpraisesduetothecreator@...> wrote:


From: Amexem INDIGENOUS Aboriginal <allpraisesduetothecreator@...>
Subject: Re: [The_Nationalists] Re: [New Afrikan Independence Online] Raaj Moor debates Dr. Claude Anderson on the concept of "BLACK Peoples" and "BLACK Americans" - The term A-F-R-I-C-A is not an "African" Word
To: The_Nationalists@yahoogroups.com
Date: Wednesday, November 11, 2009, 3:53 AM


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I do not agree with anybody's concept of "BLACK Americans" in the irresponsible context which it is placed in. We all know that Mu'urs were and are Fully-Melaninated "DARK" Hue-Peoples if that is what you are referring to as BLACK.
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Moor is a variation/derivativ e of Mu'ur. Moors were known to be of every Faith and Religion, not just Islamic. Moors refer to the Ancient Moabites and the Old Moroccan Empire in which Ancient Morocco was known to be the Capital.
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There are HEBREW Moors, MUSLIM/ISLAMIC Moors, CHRISTIAN Moors, etc.
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One thing I do know is that whether you consider yourself MOOR or MU'UR, you are not property and/or jurisdiction of the Albion Brotherhood known as the Union States of AmeriKKKa. Â


--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Lamar Perryman <pharoahisrael@ yahoo.com> wrote:


From: Lamar Perryman <pharoahisrael@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [The_Nationalists] Re: [New Afrikan Independence Online] Raaj Moor debates Dr. Claude Anderson on the concept of "BLACK Peoples" and "BLACK Americans" - The term A-F-R-I-C-A is not an "African" Word
To: 1-Nation-Under- 5@yahoogroups. com, abujanig@yahoogroup s.com, afro-revolutionary@ yahoogroups. com, barbados@yahoogroup s.com, BlackLiberationFron t@yahoogroups. com, BLACKPANTHER2@ yahoogroups. com, BLACKRANGERS@ yahoogroups. com, BlackSupremacy@ yahoogroups. com, edonca@yahoogroups. com, guyanesepeople@ yahoogroups. com, HIM_Haile_Selassie_ I@yahoogroups. com, hueylegacy@yahoogro ups.com, ISSInstitute@ yahoogroups. com, naijanews@yahoogrou ps.com, newafrikanindepende nceonline@ yahoogroups. com, NigeriaWazobia@ yahoogroups. com, PanAfricanFilms@ yahoogroups. com, panafricanistforum@ yahoogroups. com, PantherForce@ yahoogroups. com, rasta@yahoogroups. com, "Afro-American league PDP USA" <pdp_usachapter@ yahoogroups. com>, mail@livinginblack. ning.com, erzilidanto@ yahoo.com, PanAF_House@ yahoogroups. com, zulustaff@earthlink .net, BlackWomensWholisti cExchange@ yahoogroups. com, DivineSeparation@ yahoogroups. com, IslamOnTheMarch@ yahoogroups. com,
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Cc: drybones7@hotmail. com, cofah@cofah. com, raajmoor@yahoo. com, cander4272@aol. com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 5:30 PM


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 In all fairness Bro. Amexem,
                                           Do you agree with Dr. Claud Anderson on his Socio-Economic teachings and policies for Muurish/Black Americans.?? ?
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 I think that they are great. Also let us be clear here on the words and terms MUUR, Moor
and Black . The Word and Term M U U R is the name of a Native Ethinic Group of Aboriginal Black Americans whose Mother Tribe is That of W A S H I T A W.!!!

 This group of Aboriginal Black Americans are not the same as the Moors of West Africa who are Islamic.!!!
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 Native Muurs ( such as myself ) practice West African and Native Aboriginal Spirituality. We are not Islamic, Christian or Hindu in any sense of the word although we do not discriminate against any religion or its belief system and wish
that religious peoples would do the same.!
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 The Moors of West Africa who came here to America with the Islamic faith, belief and practice by travel and by slavery are not the Native Aboriginal Muurs of this Country. And aboriginal like those peoples of Asia and Australia.!
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 I just wanted to clear up this distortion and the resulting confusions that it has caused for since the beginning of the Islamic movement in the Black American Community it has been one of the biggest ones.!!!
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 Now I would like it if the merits of Dr. Anderson's teachings can be discussed and applied in a Nationalist ideology and sense.
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 Thank You again for your thoughtfulness and insights though.
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Hetep.!
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MLP,
Pharoah Israel Bini Heru,
Cougar Tribe at The Nationalists.
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--- On Tue, 11/10/09, Amexem INDIGENOUS Aboriginal <allpraisesduetothec reator@yahoo. com> wrote:


From: Amexem INDIGENOUS Aboriginal <allpraisesduetothec reator@yahoo. com>
Subject: [New Afrikan Independence Online] Raaj Moor debates Dr. Claude Anderson on the concept of "BLACK Peoples" and "BLACK Americans" - The term A-F-R-I-C-A is not an "African" Word
To: 1-Nation-Under- 5@yahoogroups. com, abujanig@yahoogroup s.com, afro-revolutionary@ yahoogroups. com, barbados@yahoogroup s.com, BlackLiberationFron t@yahoogroups. com, BLACKPANTHER2@ yahoogroups. com, BLACKRANGERS@ yahoogroups. com, BlackSupremacy@ yahoogroups. com, edonca@yahoogroups. com, guyanesepeople@ yahoogroups. com, HIM_Haile_Selassie_ I@yahoogroups. com, hueylegacy@yahoogro ups.com, ISSInstitute@ yahoogroups. com, naijanews@yahoogrou ps.com, newafrikanindepende nceonline@ yahoogroups. com, NigeriaWazobia@ yahoogroups. com, PanAfricanFilms@ yahoogroups. com, panafricanistforum@ yahoogroups. com, PantherForce@ yahoogroups. com, rasta@yahoogroups. com, "Afro-American league PDP USA" <pdp_usachapter@ yahoogroups. com>, mail@livinginblack. ning.com, erzilidanto@ yahoo.com, PanAF_House@ yahoogroups. com, zulustaff@earthlink .net, BlackWomensWholisti cExchange@ yahoogroups. com, DivineSeparation@ yahoogroups. com, IslamOnTheMarch@ yahoogroups. com,
FALL_OF_AMERICA@ yahoogroups. com, HARD_TRUTH@yahoogro ups.com, JohnAllenMuhammad@ yahoogroups. com, karl_evanzz@ yahoogroups. com, MasterFardMuhammadM uslims@yahoogrou ps.com, KhallidMuhammad@ yahoogroups. com, MuhammadSpeaksConti nuum@yahoogroups .com, MarcusGarvey@ yahoogroups. com, MarcusMosiahGarvey@ yahoogroups. com, SharazardAli@ yahoogroups. com, LostFoundNationofIs lam@yahoogroups. com, TheNewAllahFamily@ yahoogroups. com, northamexemobserver s@yahoogroups. com
Cc: drybones7@hotmail. com, cofah@cofah. com
Date: Tuesday, November 10, 2009, 2:56 AM


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This particular brief debate clearly shows that so-called "Black" AmeriKKKans who hold a P.H.D. (Partially Half-Dumb) or a Master's/Massah' s Degree (from the Colonial "White" Slave-Master)  are not totally intellectual ly adequate to serve the best interests of our Natural Hue-peoples here in America.
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"Dr." Cornel West is another so-called "Black/African- American" Character who (when questioned) has no LAWFUL Concept and/or Genuine Desire to promote TRUE "Internationally- Recognized"  Nationality for the much needed unconditional  Liberation of our peoples. But "Doctor" Cornel West currently holds a title of former Professor of African-American Studies from Princeton University and is a well known Greek/GEEK Fraternity Member.
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BOTH OF THESE PSEUDO-INTELLECTUAL SO-CALLED "BLACK" SCHOLARS SHOULD KNOW VERY WELL BY NOW THAT "WORDS MEAN EVERYTHING".

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Raaj Moor <raajmoor@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Raaj Moor <raajmoor@yahoo. com>
Subject: Fw: Re: Yahoo! News Story - Obama: US must reverse course with Indians
To: allpraisesduetothec reator@yahoo. com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 9:08 PM

--- On Mon, 11/9/09, Raaj Moor <raajmoor@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Raaj Moor <raajmoor@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: Yahoo! News Story - Obama: US must reverse course with Indians
To: cander4272@aol. com
Date: Monday, November 9, 2009, 10:26 AM

I run from the negative symbolic Color Description of "Black" because of the illogical inappropiate context and reference which attempts to inadequately describe an entire Race of people.
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I AM NOT "BLACK".
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My Race Designation is: Natural Asiatic "Melaninated" HUE-Man
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My declared/proclaimed Nationality is: Native Continental- American Moor/Mu'ur (Also Known As Moorish/Mu'urish American)
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My declared/proclaimed Legal Status is: Indigenous Aboriginal Freehold SOVEREIGN (by Birthright and Inheritance)Â
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The name Africa came into Western use through the Romans, who used the name Africa terra â€" "land of the Afri" (plural, or "Afer" singular) â€" for the northern part of the continent, as the province of Africa with its capital Carthage, corresponding to modern-day Tunisia.
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The origin of Afer may either come from:
-the Phoenician `afar, dust;
-the Afri, a tribeâ€"possibly Berberâ€"who dwelt in North Africa in the Carthage area;
-the Greek word aphrike, meaning without cold;
-or the Latin word aprica, meaning sunny.
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"Africa" is not even an African word. The origin of the word is still a little uncertain, but it is credible to see a connection from Latin (Africa = sunny) and Greek (Aphrike = not cold).
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SO, MY DEAR DOCTOR CLAUDE ANDERSON,
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THE WORD "AFRICA" DOES NOT MEAN LAND OF THE BLACKS.
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Both the term "Black" and "African-American" do not LAWFULLY serve our peoples. I furthermore think that the terms are intellectually irresponsible and scholarly inadequate only for the purposes of some so-called "BLACK Opportunist" (so-called "Black" leader) to further exploit and hinder so-called "Black" Peoples from ever achieving the levels of Human Character and Racial Dignity.
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THE TERM "BLACK" (when negatively used out of context in reference to inadequately describing a race of people) ONLY SERVES TO SUPPORT "WHITE SUPREMACY.
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 -- On Sun, 11/8/09, cander4272@aol. com <cander4272@aol. com> wrote:

From: cander4272@aol. com <cander4272@aol. com>
Subject: Re: Yahoo! News Story - Obama: US must reverse course with Indians
To: raajmoor@yahoo. com
Date: Sunday, November 8, 2009, 3:15 PM

Raaj Moor,
    In response to your questions below: 1)  I consider my self to a Black man living in America. And, due to our historical experiences, Blacks living in America are basically a nation within a nation, which is a socioeconomic state that sure be clear to everyone. And 2) the color black is extremely important to describing who I am and the group that I identify and associate with. Since all human being originated out of Africa, anyone who migrates to this nation can legitimately be called, an African American. The color Black is therefore important, because the world "Africa," means "the Land of the Blacks."
        But, I am concerned about why you run from the word "Black?" How does the word, Black, detract from or impede our people from becoming a self-sufficient and competitive political and economic force in this country and the world?  And, lastly, let's be clear. I am not trying to save or lift up all Black people. My intent was to inform and aid those who were ready. Those who do not want to consider my suggested path out of the ditch should just ignore what I say and write, and continue doing what they have always done. I will not be offended by their rejections.
       Hopefully, I have satisfactorily answered your questions because I am terribly busy trying to save myself, my family, my friends, and those Blacks who want to helped.
     Take care and help our people when and where you can.
    Dr Claud Anderson
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-----Original Message-----
From: Raaj Moor <raajmoor@yahoo. com>
To: cander4272@aol. com
Sent: Fri, Nov 6, 2009 8:42 pm
Subject: Re: Yahoo! News Story - Obama: US must reverse course with Indians

Greetings Claude Anderson.
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I read and overstand your valid claim that so-called "Indians" have also massively enslaved so-called 'Blacks" here in what is now referred to as AmeriKKKa.
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You are very knowledgeable in that particular area of History.
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My direct question(s)Â to you is, WHAT DO "YOU" PROFESS YOUR LAWFUL NATIONALITY TO BE? ARE "YOU" ALSO A "BLACK" AMERICAN?
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It would seem to me that if anyone is going to try to lift us out of our dismal condition, they would have steered us collectively toward NATIONALITY. The Crayon Color Description "Black" only attempts to describe what a person looks like, the Color "Black" does not properly and adequately tell a person who they are or where they are from.
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WHAT IS YOUR EXACT TAKE ON NATIONALITY, NATION BUILDING, And SOVEREIGNTY?   Â

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[Don Naconna]

This thread should be moved to frauds!

[NanticokePiney]

This thread should be moved to frauds!

  Yes, it should.

[E.P. Grondine]

Determining whether religious groups are fraudulent or just misguided is difficult. However, this group and all of its abberations are clearly frauds. They may not sell ceremonies but the DO sell false indentity like Jerry Monroe and his phony tribe, the Binay...

It's not that difficult if you read "Amazing Stories". The original MST appears to have been inspired by Howard John Zitko and Robert D. Stelle's Lemurian Fellowship con. 

The  Masonic overlay came from here:
"Seven “Brotherhoods” were set up by Melchisedek (G*d) for the spiritual advancement of mankind.  There are six lesser “Brotherhoods”: the Hermetic, Essene, Brahmic, Luciferian (Masonic), Rosicrucian, and Theosophist, and one greater Brotherhood, the Lemurian."

Their Koran most likely drew from  "The Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ" by Levi H. Dowling.

My observation is that the greater the destruction of any people's history, the more grandious are the histories they create to replace them.

It's tough being African American. The problem comes when the appropriate Native American history.

[E.P. Grondine]

Yes, move it to frauds.

[NanticokePiney]

  Another oblivious offshoot of the MST. "The Black race is 10 million years old and white people came from Neanderthals." 

    http://www.karnaksociety.com/karnak_005_002.htm

 

[Don Naconna]

I just sent you a PM with alot of info about the so called Moors...

[uktena]

 Another oblivious offshoot of the MST. "The Black race is 10 million years old and white people came from Neanderthals."

This is so funny, because if you take it literally, it says exactly the opposite of what they think it does.

I'm not exactly sure of the anthropology of the matter, but modern humans, Homo sapiens, are only a couple of hundred thousand years old.  If indeed the Black race (sic) is 10 million years old, that means they are actually surviving members of a proto-human, or ape-like, species, and not "humans" at all.  At most they're merely hominids.  

On the other hand, if indeed white people "came from Neanderthals", that still makes us fully human.  The Neanderthals are considered to be a subspecies of Homo sapiens (the Geico caveman commercials take place in an alternate universe where the Neanderthal subspecies never died out  ).  

So if you take these people at their word, they're as much as saying that black people are ape-like, whereas white people are human beings.  In this, they seem to be agreeing what I've heard white supremicists say, that the black race is closer to the apes than we are.    It's always nice when two radically opposing groups can agree on one issue at least.  

This is one of the weirder, not to mention dumbest, misuses of science to support a racist agenda I ever came across, in a field where there are some real doozies!

[Don Naconna]

They believe that Africans walked from Africa to all continents. This was when the world as a single continent, Pangea. The problem with that is Pangea existed thousands of years before man existed. I saw a video about the Pangea story, I'll try and find the link...

[Don Naconna]

They believe that Africans walked from Africa to all continents. This was when the world as a single continent, Pangea. The problem with that is Pangea existed thousands of years before man existed. I saw a video about the Pangea story, I'll try and find the link...

Here is the link to youtube...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1-hxPvE30Q

[YouKnowNot]

I am trying to find out what current legitimate tribes are saying about the MSTA, the Nauwabians, Washitaw, and others. This is really important to find out. Any public statements made by tribes yet??