Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk

[WINative]

Anyone know anything about him?

http://www.myspace.com/dancingredhawk7

http://theucn.com/wisconsin.html

[BlackWolf]

Tim Dancing Red Hawk said

I am an Ordained Pastor and a nationally recognized Spiritual Leader and Teacher of Cherokee Medicine. My grandfather was raised as part of the Bird Clan on the Eastern Cherokee reservation and was taken from his mother at a young age and given to an adoptive white family.

As a Pastoral Care Specialist, Hospice Caregiver, Cherokee Spiritual Leader, Story-teller, Healer and Consultant, I combine my Cherokee heritage, years of ongoing study with Native American Medicine Elders, my experience as a parish pastor and as a hospice chaplain to offer a unique perspective on living, dying, and existing in this, our Circle of Life.

The story he gives about his grandfather being taken from a Cherokee reservation and being adopted by whites is fairly common amongst many people in the South East.  Most of these claims are bogus.  And even if this was the case, his family most likely because of being adopted,  intermarriage with the dominant society and moving away from his community, would have lost most of their Cherokee beleifs and traditinons.  Cherokee medicine people can be found ONLY in Traditional Cherokee communities in North East Oklahoma, and in Eastern band Cherokee communities in North Carolina.  Also, that United Cherokee Nation IS NOT A Cherokee Tribe. They're a bunch of fakes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gp7Z4eiEuaw
 
I can say without doubt that this man IS NOT A CHEROKEE SPIRITUAL LEADER



This was taken from the CHerokee Nation Cultural Resource Center.

Medicine People are taught by other medicine people, who hand down their 'medicine' to the chosen ones. Medicine formulas, songs and other rites are hand written in ledgers which have been handed down throughout many years. It is dangerous to try to interpret the Cherokee writing in these books and use them without the proper training, as most are written in cryptic fashion; leaving out major portions that the practitioner has learned verbally, written in code, or even written backwards.


Traditional Cherokees consult with medicine people for help with medical problems, dilemmas in their lives, or other problems. There are fewer of them alive and practicing today, but are still well known by traditionals and in the Cherokee communities. It is not accepted for these medicine people to advertise or make their services known in other ways. The proper way to find a medicine person is to be part of a Cherokee community, ceremonial ground, or family, and come to know this person through those connections. (As a tribal government, we are not at liberty to disclose the names of these persons.)
Info provided by the Cherokee Nation Cultural Resource Center. For information regarding culture and language, please contact:
cultural@cherokee.org

http://www.cherokee.org/Culture/13/Page/default.aspx

[WINative]

Here's his Myspace page:

I am Eastern Band of Tsalagi(Cherokee), Ani Tsisqua (Bird Clan), and this is the greatest gift my heart has ever known from the Creator. I am proud to be a practitioner of Cherokee medicine, a State Clan Chief and Tribal Council Member for the United Cherokee Nation, and an ordained pastor serving a Native American congregation in Milwaukee, WI. I am the Director of Elawei Ama Spiritual Resources working as a ceremonial leader and consultant to those who are interested in traditional ways and teachings. Coming from the traditions of the Eastern Band of the Tsalagi (Cherokee) tribe in the Smoky Mountains of North Carolina, I facilitate ongoing Pipe Circle ceremonies and Sweat Lodge ceremonies to create balance and harmony in the community and empower the healing of others in the spirit of indigenous peoples. I have dedicated my life to being of service for healing, teaching, and spiritual connection. As a practitioner of “Cherokee Medicine”, I have led ceremonies for the healing and health of mind, body, and spirit for individuals and groups. I have taught native traditions and conducted numerous workshops and presentations for churches, schools and groups throughout the Greater Milwaukee and Chicago areas. As a Hospice Chaplain and Spiritual Care Giver, I have walked with over 5,000 men, women, and children on the journey through their last days of life and provided spiritual care to thousands of family members. I've led and designed my own unique support groups for the bereaved and designed a specialized support group for Victims of Violent Crime used by the city of Chicago. My years of experience as a Pastor, End of Life Spiritual Care Giver, Educator, Counselor, Cherokee Ceremonial Leader, Spiritual Consultant, and Native American Storyteller are brought together as I share with others my unique approach to living, loving, and letting go in the Circle of Life. Walk in Beauty and embrace the peace of Mother Earth and all our relations! Aho

[NDN_Outlaw]

Interesting website. It gets complicated. Spiritual gifts move through generations and can reappear after skipping generations. I have often wondered how it confusing even frightening it must be for people who inheirit a spiritual gift (responsibilty). Perhaps this man has inheirited something he is trying to work with or maybe he has simply fooled himself or had someone who doesn't know tell him he's gifted.I would need to know if he fits a cult leader profile. Does he control people. Does he make money off his work/ racket and most important does he indeed help people. Perhaps this is best answered by the NDN community in his region. It's always weird to see those bearded old hippies dressed up like Willy Nelson calling themselves by hokey NDN names.  

[NDN_Outlaw]

These are some of his "heros". Some familiar and notorius names are posted. Especially Ed McGaa, Dhyani Wahoo, and worst of all Brooke Medicine Eagle. This does not impress.
 
Grandfather Rolling Thunder, Ed McGaa, Dhyani Ywahoo, J.T. Garrett, Michael Tlanuwa Garrett, Tsali, Yonaguska, Junaluska, Chief Tuffy, Walt~ my helper for life, Chief Stone Bear, Chief Katey Lee Ross, Rose Little Deer, Terri Buffalo Star, Darryl Young Elk, Joanne Shenandoah, Mary Youngblood, George Daniels, Tommy Lee, Jack Russell, Lawrence Jacobs, Grandmother Roberta, Grandmother Wilma, Grandmother Beverly, Jan Seiden, Rod Jackson, Sonny Ledford - Ani Kituwah, Brooke Medicine Eagle

[Diana]

If you look on his my space page under who his hero's are, it's a smorgsboard of frauds and wannabes. That right there is a big warning sign and of course, the old adoption story.


Lim lemtsh,


Diana 

[critter - a white non-ndn person]

One look at his picture and I can tell you this..

He is not knowledgeable.. as he thinks he is.   I don't see that he is purposely trying to hurt people, but he isn't a person I would recommend or go to for spiritual insight or advice.  I don't see him 'knowing'...  as much as I see him 'thinking' he knows.. he doesn't.  

[WINative]

Thanks for the feedback and I know he is a Pastor at the Lutheran Church of the Great Spirit, and he has the correct schooling for that position, and they were in need of one. I think the problem is that he also thinks he's an authority on Native spirituality. I don't think that's a good mix in a person to be that ambitious.
As far as I know none of the Natives in Milwaukee go to him for anything related to Native spirituality. But I think he works with non-Indians outside of Milwaukee. He is also a close friend and associate of David Granados of Racine, who I saw a post of on here.

I found this posting online:

Grace Dance Lodge - Menomonee Falls, WI
*In order to participate in a Sweat Lodge ceremony, you must pre-register by contacting the ceremony leader, Rev. Chief Tim Dancing Red Hawk at:
dancingredhawk7@yahoo.com

Friday, December 16th, 2009
(Cherokee Healing Lodge)
Arrival Time - 6:00pm
Ceremony begins - 6:45pm

[critter - a white non-ndn person]

Didn't someone on here say Cherokee don't have sweat lodges? 

Racine WI?  My home town. 

[WINative]

Yes Racine, Wisconsin.

He's discussed in this posting:

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2316.0

[critter - a white non-ndn person]

Yes  saw that.  Hopefully he's put away for a long time. 

[Diana]

Yes  saw that.  Hopefully he's put away for a long time. 

I think he may have been convicted. I looked at his my space page and the last time he was logged in was back in september. Also there hasn't been any activety since August, such as personel messages or comments.

I tried to do a little research on google for convictions+ David Granados and couldn't find anything.


Lim lemtsh,


Diana

[NDN_Outlaw]

Church attendance is falling everywhere except in the evangelical/ fundamentalist churches. I notice some RC churches are now burning sweet grass and turning to the four directions as part of their service. Priests and nuns are going on vision quests and some ministers like Rev Dancing Hawk are no doubt using their new found knowledge to booster attendance. I realize this line of discussion is like kicking over a bees nest but I really wander how sincere Dancing Hawk is. Is his ministry really a disingenuous attempt to latch onto the NDN cultural revival ?

[Defend the Sacred]

Here's his Myspace page:

I am Eastern Band of Tsalagi(Cherokee), Ani Tsisqua (Bird Clan), and this is the greatest gift my heart has ever known from the Creator. I am proud to be a practitioner of Cherokee medicine, a State Clan Chief and Tribal Council Member for the United Cherokee Nation, and an ordained pastor serving a Native American congregation in Milwaukee, WI. I am the Director of Elawei Ama Spiritual Resources working as a ceremonial leader and consultant to those who are interested in traditional ways and teachings. Coming from the traditions of the Eastern Band of the Tsalagi (Cherokee) tribe in the Smoky Mountains of North Carolina, I facilitate ongoing Pipe Circleceremonies and Sweat Lodge ceremonies  to create balance and harmony in the community and empower the healing of others in the spirit of indigenous peoples. I have dedicated my life to being of service for healing, teaching, and spiritual connection. As a practitioner of “Cherokee Medicine”, I have led ceremonies for the healing and health of mind, body, and spirit for individuals and groups. I have taught native traditions and conducted numerous workshops and presentations for churches, schools and groups throughout the Greater Milwaukee and Chicago areas. As a Hospice Chaplain and Spiritual Care Giver, I have walked with over 5,000 men, women, and children on the journey through their last days of life and provided spiritual care to thousands of family members. I've led and designed my own unique support groups for the bereaved and designed a specialized support group for Victims of Violent Crime used by the city of Chicago. My years of experience as a Pastor, End of Life Spiritual Care Giver, Educator, Counselor, Cherokee Ceremonial Leader, Spiritual Consultant, and Native American Storyteller are brought together as I share with others my unique approach to living, loving, and letting go in the Circle of Life. Walk in Beauty and embrace the peace of Mother Earth and all our relations! Aho

[emphasis added]

An excerpt from a letter from Richard L. Allen. EdD,  Research & Policy Analyst, Cherokee Nation, Tahlequah, Oklahoma. Reprinted with permission:

Cherokee medicine people and spiritual leaders are known to the Cherokee people and do not practice medicine for a fee nor sell "shamanic" lessons to anyone. They do not advertise their services through any form of media and certainly not over the internet.
.........

Traditional Cherokee healers and spiritual leaders provide their services to the Cherokee people. A Cherokee medicine person or spiritual leader is fluent in the Cherokee language and would conduct any medical or spiritual practices by using the Cherokee language. Therefore, our medicine people are those who were born of a Cherokee mother and a Cherokee father and would have been reared within a Cherokee community speaking the Cherokee language. Our traditional Cherokee healers and spiritual leaders are humble people and would not present themselves as such nor "hang out a shingle" so to speak.

Cherokee medicine people are acknowledged and recognized by members of the Cherokee community as effective healers and leaders. It is the recognition of the Cherokee people that validates these persons as medicine people and healers not self-proclaimation. We may provide them small gifts, a token amount of money or foodstuffs in payment for their services. They do not charge for their services nor would they withhold their services when asked and they certainly would not prescibe payment by credit card.

Cherokee medicine people may provide services to recognized members of other tribes or may provide services to non-Indians who would seek them out for treatment, but certainly would not mix their spirituality or medicine with that of other nations.

Cherokee medicine and spiritual practices do not include tarot cards, palmistry, psychic readings or sweatlodge ceremonies.

One may assume that anyone claiming to be a Cherokee "shaman, spiritual healer, or pipe-carrier," is equivalent to a modern day medicine show and snake-oil vendor.
end quote
[emphasis added]
Full letter posted in this thread: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1640.msg10899#msg10899

[WINative]

It seems that he falls under all the categories of the what-not to-do to be legitimate.  I don't think any Native poeple I have met here believe he's anything but a pastor of that church, but I'm sure he's selling the Chief and Medicine Man title to the non-Indians. 
So it's established he's not a enrolled Indian, and has no authority from his adopted nation or any recognized elders or groups in Milwaukee or Wisconsin to do these things. he seems to be doing it on his own or with other frauds. So seems like he falls under all the categories of a fraud.


I saw this advertisement online in a local magazine:

Monthly/Weekly Events
First Tuesdays - Traditional Native American Pipe Circle Prayer Ceremony held the 1st
Tuesday of each month at 6:00 p .m . Join us for traditional drumming, songs, teachings,
and prayer ceremony . For more information and location, contact Rev. Tim (Dancing Red Hawk), Elawei Ama (Quiet Waters) Spiritual Resources (414) 791-6924 .