Lakota Sioux Nation of the Netherlands

[Defend the Sacred]

Heads up, Wil. One of the groups you recommend on your links page, the Cosmic Fire Foundation, has a forum. Notorious fraud  William Jervis seems to have free reign there, posting things like this:

http://anne.messageboard.nl/20213/viewtopic.php?t=357

firewalkerspeaks
Geregistreerd op: 1-12-2008
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Ma dec 01, 2008 22:02    new age fraud web site    

new age fraud

www.newagefraud.org

is nonething more then a bunch of people useing the internet to run down the names of good american indians

they pick a american indian and list them as a fraud or a fake

and keep doing it
they have no facts if a american indian comes to europe and helps
someone sick in europe then that american indian is listed as a fake
by this new age fraud web bunch

they never every meet firewalker a native american indian

in europe who well repected with his people and in europe

but the run alot of rummors on this american indian

and other american indians in europe that our not at all true

so i ask you
please tell these new age fraud people to shut up
unless they can prove something

firewalker a cherokee and cant tell a lakota how he pratice his medicine

there way over 500 indian tribes

and they all have there own medicine ways and culture

and a hand full of people our telling lies and speading untrue

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Crow's World Speaks
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Ma dec 01, 2008 22:24    Re: new age fraud web site    

Thank you for adding the link and making
us aware of these false energies of people
stealing the talents that are not true to them.

More Jervis posts: http://anne.messageboard.nl/20213/search.php?search_author=firewalkerspeaks

Do you still recommend "Cosmic Fire Foundation"?

Attached are some photos of William Jervis, aka "firewalkerspeaks"

[Lakota Sioux Indians]

Ok.
Best wishes on your operation.

Thank you critter

[Lakota Sioux Indians]

Do you still recommend "Cosmic Fire Foundation"?

Attached are some photos of William Jervis, aka "firewalkerspeaks"

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NO I do not recommend "Cosmic Fire Foundation" anymore I did hear bad things about them so I stopped any contact with them and certainly no more donations to Cosmic Fire Foundation.
And yes I saw the link was still on the site, I've removed the link.

[Lakota Sioux Indians]

Wil, it's not about financial accountabililty only, though that is always an issue with charities. There really is a problem with the name you have chosen. It's really not appropriate for a group of Dutch people to call themselves ""All Native Nations".

what we want to do is  helping the Natives.

Well, I think it's up to Native people to say whether or not you're helping.

Then I think that I stop with my association, We were never comment on Natives and the donations go where we send are only grateful that we can help now you say "There really is a problem with the name you have chosen. It's really not appropriate for a group of Dutch people to call themselves ""All Native Nations" and "Well, I think it's up to Native people to say whether or not you're helping"
We think about to stop our association to help the Natives because it is not fun anymore for us to work for the Natives to support them.

Not for the Natives but all what you say here.
I think that I toss the towel into the ring, I put in my way for the Natives, but this is really not fun anymore.

[critter - a white non-ndn person]

Gosh. Well. That's it then. That's how much you believe in what you are doing.

This is not adversity here. Not unless you choose it to be.

There is another option, that of embracing the group here and learning about the people you are
trying to represent. If you do not understand what is being said to you, I'm sure there are some
here who are willing to help you understand why the name is not really all that appropriate and
how you could change it around, even by simply adding one or two words to it.

If you actually cared about the people you are trying to help, then maybe there would be some
enthusiasm on being here and meeting Native Americans who can help you understand their position and help
in educating other people.. namely.. those who would be donating to you.

No matter what you do in life, someone will probably question it. But don't put the blame of closing
your organization on those who have asked questions. If you not able to account for your group,
then it's probably best.

 

[Lakota Sioux Indians]

Goodmorning critter.

No I don't give up, I wrote I think I toss the towel into the ring.
It was very late or better early last evening and I was very tired of this discussion, I was angry too because Kathryn comes every time with something else.   
That's why I wrote, I think I toss the towel into the ring and I am currious what she has to say now.
First it was the money, now it is the name so I think I'll never will do well according to some people here.

Do you know association R.I.N (Real Indian Nation)?
Do you know the Lakota Doundation?
Dutch association and Foundation with Native names but all to support the Natives so what is wrong with our name.

Everyone knows that we are a support group, all what we can do is to change the name in......Support Group All Native Nations.
We keep All Native Nations because we do support North and South American Natives now

I have to go to the hospital now, it's 10 am now here and I have my operation at 1 pm my time, maybe I'll come back in this forum later this day or tomorrow.

About some weeks, we'll removed the website Lakota SIoux Indians because we are not the association Lakota SIoux Indians anymore, we are association All Native Nations now.

Wil

[Wayne]

I've met Wil once, in Apeldoorn (the Netherlands).
That was the same day i met Michael Redsky and an elder whoes name i don't recall right now.
Wil was there behind a booth and i talked a little with her.
Actually i listened while she was explaining what she was trying to do.
She struck me as a passioned woman, who genuinly cares for what is happening to the NA.
Later on we all listened to the elder talking about his people and telling stories of his tribe.
My English is as good as my Dutch, so any translation that is needed from Dutch to English i will gladly provide to the best of my abilities.
The word "stichting" in the Netherlands stands for a non-profit-organisation.
so a "stichting" can never have the intention of making a profit.
A "stichting" does not have to pay taxes on the gifts they make.

Many blessings,

Wayne