Re: Kiesha Crowther - "Little Grandmother"

[SAMy]

Wow, not sure if you have looked at the current definition of Plastic Shaman on wikipedia:

Plastic shaman is a pejorative colloquialism applied to individuals who are attempting to pass themselves off as shamans, holy people, or other traditional spiritual leaders, but who have no genuine connection to the traditions or cultures they claim to represent. In some cases, the "plastic shaman" may have some genuine cultural connection, but is seen to be exploiting that knowledge for ego, power or money.

Plastic shamans are believed by their critics to use the mystique of these cultural traditions, and the legitimate curiosity of sincere seekers, for personal gain. In some cases, exploitation of students and traditional culture may involve:

-   The selling of fake "traditional" spiritual ceremonies
-   Fake artifacts
-   Fictional accounts in books
-   Illegitimate tours of sacred sites
-   And often the chance to buy spiritual titles.

[Spandex~Atom]

LG followers say:

"There will always be those who refuse to acknowledge the prophet when they come. History repeats. Do you really want to be one off  these?"
(comment  from 3 weeks ago)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VocJYC-_u4M&NR=1

"There is another thread on the subject of Keisha, ( [link to www.godlikeproductions.com] who is recognized by her Sioux elders as a Wisdom Keeper. She is likely the White Buffalo Woman predicted to help her Tribe of Many Colours weather the upcoming shift from the fourth to the fifth world. Remember the sacred medicine wheel has all four races within balanced in harmony and this is the ideal we need to strive for."
(User ID: 1102723 11/16/2010 2:47 AM)
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1088572/pg2

"I'm feeling pulses of vibration through out my body while watching this video.. An incredibly Beautiful video <3"
(comment 1 month ago)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MG6LC_5hDXQ

 

"i LOVE YOU! How, how can I spread your word? I can carry a banner, put a bumper sticker on my car, tie myself to a tree and threat to set myself on fire...anything for mother earth, humanity and? you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zCGwDMgW3dc"

Really? a bit scary, that is.

"I love Kiesha so, so, so, so,so, sooooooooo much! She is the icing on our spiritual cake!!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFPu26BJreY

 

"Thank you Kiesha, that was awe-inspiring. By the end of the video I had tears streaming down my face, I had goose bumps. I need to watch this every day to remind me of who I am."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFPu26BJreY

 

"Woow! You really can feel that she is talking from her heart, to your heart. I feel a rush of Love after watching this. Wonderful! Two thumbs up!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFPu26BJreY

It's about that rush after all......

"a great teacher! it really doesnt matter if she is a "genuine" tribemember. the things she talks about is whats important. just listen to her words and see what your innerself thinks. dont be stucked in a "we" and ? "them" attitude. it means that you are.. stuck! the teachings from the natives are for the whole world. in this time we all have to work together, and not towards each other. may all beings be free"!!!! love love love"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK5OOfEmut4

 

what about the freedom of people to keep their traditions sacred and uncommercialised by wannabes?

[Spandex~Atom]

Plastic shamans are believed by their critics to use the mystique of these cultural traditions, and the legitimate curiosity of sincere seekers, for personal gain.

there is no 'belief' about it, lol.

[nemesis]

I don't want to take this into a tangent, and we've already had a few tangents in this thread, but I need to respond to this. I don't think it's appropriate to say "either" in this matter. Every day we see crazy people who have no training, no community, no elders nor the checks and balances of knowledgeable peers, claiming they can be spiritual leaders because "Spirit" "called" them.

It's up to traditional spiritual communities to say what criteria it takes to be a a spiritual leader in that community. Standards and requirements vary among tribes and cultures. But if someone is claiming to do anything that practices, or dabbles in, or takes "inspiration" from traditional cultures (as Crowther has claimed) they absolutely cannot claim they have a right to any of these things because "Spirit called them".

Every day we see those people harming the traditions and harming the seekers who follow them.

The people we see who are unhinged from any traditional community, who are out there saying "Spirit called them" are (in my experience and without exception I can think of at the moment) delusional. Traditional communities, traditional ways of life, have time-honoured ways of weeding out the gradiose and fantasy-prone from those who have real connections to the spirits. In my opinion, the purpose of this board is to support the traditional communities who have these ways, and keep crazy and entitled outsiders from exploiting their traditions and harming people with their schemes.

I think if someone who feels rootless and without community feels "called by Spirit" to be some sort of leader or spokesman, they need to seek out a legitimate, grounded, community. Then they need to shut up for a few decades. If after decades of learning and humility and being a normal person of that community, the community leaders and elders ask them to take a leadership role, then they can.

Crowther has obviously done nothing of the sort.

This is an important point.

Personally I would be more inclined to believe that a spirit had called them if they devoted their life to the service of their people, regardless of the costs to their own lives, which are often considerable.

None of these new age frauds seem to care at all about serving their people, or serving anyone at all.  The only thing they serve is their own egos and bank accounts. 

They devote their energy to creating a "brand" for themselves in which they are promoted as some kind of super-human being, complete with fancy websites, youtube channels and hundreds / thousands of people worshipping them, performing lots of unpaid work for them and filling their bank accounts with $$$$$$$$.

I doubt that Crowther knows the meaning of the words "humility" or "service".

On the subject of the videos, I absolutely love that last video.  Thanks for sharing it. 

 

[nemesis]

LG followers say:

"I love Kiesha so, so, so, so,so, sooooooooo much! She is the icing on our spiritual cake!!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFPu26BJreY

 

Icing on the cake is probably right.  Sweet, sickly, nutrition free and will make you very sick if you consume too much of it.

[Saga]

LG followers say:

"a great teacher! it really doesnt matter if she is a "genuine" tribemember. the things she talks about is whats important. just listen to her words and see what your innerself thinks. dont be stucked in a "we" and ? "them" attitude. it means that you are.. stuck! the teachings from the natives are for the whole world. in this time we all have to work together, and not towards each other. may all beings be free"!!!! love love love"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yK5OOfEmut4

 

what about the freedom of people to keep their traditions sacred and uncommercialised by wannabes?

Yes, we all need to work together... wait, all but natives themselves? The ones who own the key to saving the earth in all of your prophecies and teachings? They can be safely disrespected and left out, it doesn't really matter if they are against the half truths or no truths....... :p As long as we get the teachings, even if we have to steal or change them to suit us better and downgrade them...

Lately, when thinking about this all, I get the image of christian church in my mind, someone constantly pissing on the altar and throwing sacred "bread and wine" on the floor and people going "ooh... aah" in awe and cheering in tears.

Christian church since most of us have that background and it is what is teached to us to be sacred. I am not really following the church, but I still wouldn't disrespect even the sacred objects of christianity... Think you all got the point.

[SAMy]

I went to Kiesha Crowther's website and read her responses to people calling her out on her lies. And so this is the response that I have sent to her through her web site.

I'm sorry Kiesha. I grew up on the Flathead reserve. All of my family are scattered every where there. I have them from Arlee all the way to Polson, going east to west, and no one knows of you. I have spoken with tribal elders who have no idea who you are. At pow wow, I asked around to see if you were made a shaman over our reserve and our people. I had people laugh in my face.

This is something you'll not be able to clear up in a paragraph or two on your web site. The reason I and others have called you out as a fraud, is because you are stealing from sacred teachings and new age-ing it up. You are combining the ancient teachings with teachings about skulls and the I AM consciousness from the St. Germaine teachings which has nothing at all to do with our culture or beliefs. Worst of all, YOU ARE CHARGING people to teach them falsehoods. The ceremonies are not for sale. You are spitting on my people and the memory of my ancestors. Until I take my last breath on mother earth, I'll not stop speaking out against you until you cease from using my culture and making money off of us. You are lying to everyone. That is why you travel into other countries to give teachings. You go to these spiritually starved people who are dying for an indian experience and you are spoon feeding it to them with big doses of new age quackery. You are as dangerous as the man who ran the sweats in Arizona, the ones those people died in who were desperate for vision. There is NO ONE from the Flathead who has stood up to say YES Kiesha Crowther is shaman over us. You need to stop this, because it will catch up to you and you will have to face the elders here. You cannot keep running in other countries telling these lies. If you are being honest, then let us all see pictures of you with the elders who made you a shaman. You are dishonest and everyone sees this. If you were telling the truth you would have provided names, and proof and these people would stand up with you. Remember White Ego woman? Look her up  on youtube. This is what is going to happen to you. Your dynasty of lies and usury will be coming to an end because the people will start showing up at your teachings to tell the truth about you. Remember, OUR CEREMONIES are not for sale.

The final version of the youtube video for the above text is at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbYKpzFfKdE

Thank you shadowfax1920 for posting your extremely EXCELLENT video that everyone who is interested in KC should watch.
http://www.youtube.com/user/shadowfax1920#p/a/u/0/juoD2CdHBAM

[TRIBALMOONS@yahoo.com]

We are the tribe. We are the Rainbow Children. We are the Tribe of Many Colors prophesied to come in the time of great change when the world would receive her blessings, and we the children of this planet would receive our enlightenment.

Rainbow Children?? Makes me wonder if her folks snorted or smoked too many of them desert plants during the hippie days. Either way, This woman sickens me just hearing her name. The Salish Kootenai, The Lakota, The Cherokee, any TRIBE should not have to defend themselves to this mixture of lunatics, wannabes and white people who say they have the power........The only power these people have is to try and destroy what we have had to fix because of them for 100's of years. I personally feel that tribes should bring charges against every last one of them. It is Ancestral Theft in the highest form, almost as much if not as much as as NDN grave robbers and those that do that are caught and persecuted.

[Spandex~Atom]

".... The woman were still holding onto their buried pain, suppressing it as we are all taught to do. But as I went from womb to womb the screams and the cries broke out, things started to surface in a huge wave of sorrow. All of the woman fell to the ground. Some lay on their bellies, some on their backs, many were in the fetal position as they wept, wailed and cried out.

Just as in the men's ceremony I witnessed the ancient ones "spirits" step into some of the women and then leave, as they took their turns being witnessed through the different woman lying on the ground.... "
http://www.tribeofmanycolors.net/transcripts/interview-by-brent-raynes.html

This is wrong on so many levels it baffles me why her followers can't see what is happening here and run a mile from anyone involved in this, especially if this actually happened and isn't just a tall tale to impress people.

[Spandex~Atom]

Picture request:

[SAMy]

Picture request:

Very good.   I think that tribe name must be 'The Tribe Of Many Dollars'.....

[Saga]

I can "report" that some of us have been very active in facebook to get the videos and discussion out there and the warnings about kiesha are coming out even in the sources we haven't discussed here and spreading all over, today there's a link to blogtext that warns about her in one of the kiesha fanclub's facebook page and people are asking questions...

Ofcourse most of the reactions are the "listen to your heart" kind and "that is your truth", "it is your word against hers and I know which one I believe"...

I am still into process of writing the page in my own blog, want to add as much info as possible about the whole thing with her and over all exploitation and xmas is kind of distracting me from searching it. :p

[taraverti]

I've been trying to keep up with the latest videos and posting them to my facebook profile. None of my close friends or associates have the awareness of this issue or the passion to see it stopped that I do. But I have had one intense dialogue with a close friend who is often attracted to the New Age types, and have really opened her eyes. I continue to talk about these issues in general to people who really don't think about it one way or another. Hopefully some of it sticks, or at least gets them thinking.

I really cannot look at Kiesha's material except briefly. It makes me physically ill. So I'm no good at doing much direct analysis.

I'll keep doing what I can do.

Nona

[Superdog]

In regards to Facebook, there are a number of "unofficial" Kiesha Crowther pages popping up. 


This one is a fan page run by a poster called "Chit Disturber" who links videos from NAFPS

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=130471543655147#!/group.php?gid=130471543655147&v=wall


Another "unofficial" page admin'd by a guy named Steven O' Riordan in support of Kiesha and ironically is being attacked by Veetkam Rensch (the tribe of many colors admin...control freak, depends on your point of view) as being illegal...interesting set of comments on it including a very edited discussion of her being a fraud.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Kiesha-Crowther-Little-Grandmother/166068650098821?v=wall#!/pages/Kiesha-Crowther-Little-Grandmother/166068650098821


Here's another with an advertisement for an event with Kiesha in Cave Creek, Arizona at a place called Casa Mariposa that happened in September...cost of attendance...$149

http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=124447410905984&index=1


The little grandmother community page where posters can post anything they like...even videos from NAFPS members...it also includes Youtube user Shadowfax's video. 

http://www.facebook.com/pages/little-grandmother/127529483949707?sk=wall#!/pages/little-grandmother/127529483949707?sk=wall


and of course the more "official" page...I say more because there's no evidence Crowther disseminates anything through this page and all content is controlled by her "followers/employees" i.e. Veetkam.  This page has hit Facebook's friend limit and therefore new members get denied.  It's also a very controlled atmosphere run by the admins with a strict adherence to only discussing things that elevate Crowther's status regardless if they're true or not.

http://www.facebook.com/kiesha.crowther

The more "official" tribe of many colors facebook page...more of the same controlled atmosphere.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Tribe-of-Many-Colors/120728341290500#!/pages/Tribe-of-Many-Colors/120728341290500?sk=wall



There are other forums out of the tribe of many colors control that also are discussing this topic.  The Rick Ross forum has a well written post (by Cresecent, nice job) using info from the board here and other sources and putting a timeline onto some of her claims and how they've changed over time (i.e.  The referencing of Alejandro Cirilo Perez to authenticate her 2012 claims, then when finding out that he actually denounces the 2012 theories changing the focus of authentication to Bernard Perona (aka. Drunvalo Melchizedek).

http://forum.rickross.com/read.php?12,95049,95049

I know I'm posting information already posted in the thread.  Just bringing things up to date regarding facebook pages, info getting out there and discussions on other forums.

Superdog

[Defend the Sacred]

Thanks, Superdog. I'm thinking about somehow highlighting these summation posts like we've done with the Salish statement. Maybe we need a no-tangents, summary/resources thread... thinking on it.