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Offline AlaskaGrl

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James Arthur Ray Trial to be televised via In Session
« on: February 09, 2011, 03:47:21 pm »
James Arthur Ray Sweat Lodge Guru, it was announced today will be on Court TV's In Session program, so the Trial will be televised.... I looked around online but don't see a date for it yet the Lawyers are still working on getting the case ready and his Lawyers are trying to keep a couple of the prosecution’s proposed expert witnesses from testifying in the upcoming trial.  I just heard about the trial coming to In Session today so thought I'd let everyone know.  If you hear more info post it here.

Linda.
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Re: James Arthur Ray Trial to be televised via In Session
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2011, 06:15:01 pm »
Well, not exactly trial date news.. but ..

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-6186963-504083.html

James Arthur Ray Employees Rat Out Self-Help Guru, Get Immunity from Sweat Lodge Deaths

PRESCOTT, Ariz. (CBS/AP) Megan and Josh Fredrickson, who worked for self-help guru James Arthur Ray, told police they had no reason to be alarmed when participants in a deadly Arizona sweat lodge ceremony began vomiting and passing out, because Ray told them such responses were to be expected, according to documents released Friday.

Investigators conducted a lengthy interview with the Fredricksons in mid-January on condition that nothing they said would be used against them, in the case stemming from the deaths of three sweat lodge attendees last October. The couple went to work for Ray in 2005 at his Carlsbad, Calif.-based company — James Ray International — and took part in the retreat near Sedona, Ariz. that led to Ray being charged with manslaughter.

Megan Fredrickson said people who were vomiting, unresponsive and unconscious raised no red flags with her because Ray had explained those responses were possibilities. She told authorities that her experience with sweat lodges was limited to the ones led by Ray, and she never took it upon herself to research them or find out why people would pass out.

"Ultimately the plan is we never really had a plan for the extent of what happened," said Josh Fredrickson. "Call paramedics, I think is the plan." The staff never was instructed to call 911, he said, but Ray appreciated that someone had done so.

Prosecutors contend Ray recklessly crammed participants into a 400-square-foot sweat lodge and chided them for wanting to leave, even as people were vomiting, getting burned by hot rocks, and lying lifeless on the ground. Public records show a pattern of illnesses at prior Ray-led events that he largely ignored.

Ray has pleaded not guilty to three counts of manslaughter. He is being held in a Yavapai County, Ariz., jail on a $5 million bond.
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Re: James Arthur Ray Trial to be televised via In Session
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2011, 06:18:05 pm »
Found this..

http://healing.about.com/b/2011/01/21/sweat-lodge-tragedy-time-line.htm

HU$H - Financial Records Barred from Sweat Lodge Trial
Friday January 21, 2011
Newest Updates:
The trial judge, Honorable Warren R. Darrow, ruled against prosecutors discussing James Arthur Ray's financial status in upcoming court case. The court date for the manslaughter charges has been set for Feb. 16 in Camp Verde.
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Offline AlaskaGrl

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Court wishes to exclude Rick Ross Expert Testimony
« Reply #3 on: February 11, 2011, 02:53:13 am »
James Arthur Ray objects to Rick Ross Expert Testimony on Cults and Programming as it explains
how Large Group Awareness Training, LGT, causes people to ignore common sense. 

Below is a much shortened link to a .PDF document.
http://tinyurl.com/4a5brp6


(Please post other material on this case should you run across it)

Linda.

Re: James Arthur Ray Trial to be televised via In Session
« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2011, 07:20:38 pm »
Jury selection begins in Arizona sweat lodge case

Associated Press - February 16, 2011 5:14 AM ET

http://www.kswt.com/Global/story.asp?S=14039182

CAMP VERDE, Ariz. (AP) - Jury selection begins Wednesday in the trial of a motivational speaker accused in the deaths of 3 people in Arizona.

James Arthur Ray has pleaded not guilty to three counts of manslaughter, stemming from a sweat lodge ceremony he led near Sedona in October 2009.

Prosecutors and defense attorneys have spent the past few weeks narrowing the list of potential jurors.

Prosecutors contend Ray recklessly crammed more than 50 people inside a sweltering sweat lodge and admonished them for wanting to leave.

Ray's attorneys say the deaths were a tragic accident and Ray is not to blame.

Opening statements are set for March 1 in Camp Verde.

The judge overseeing the case has not ruled on a motion to move the trial out of Yavapai County.

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Re: James Arthur Ray Trial to be televised via In Session
« Reply #5 on: March 01, 2011, 07:43:52 pm »
Trial started today.  In Session is a show on TruTV.. at least, on my cable that's where it's at.


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Re: James Arthur Ray Trial to be televised via In Session
« Reply #6 on: March 01, 2011, 07:47:51 pm »
Here's a link to TruTV  I don't know the time of the trial, or if they will show live online.. but can
watch for it in the archives too I think?

http://www.trutv.com/


Well.. I don't know.. I'm watching the "in session" now where they are talking about Ray.. but I don't
see "in session" on the TruTV website?  Nor on the "playing now" link.. 

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Re: James Arthur Ray Trial to be televised via In Session
« Reply #7 on: March 01, 2011, 07:58:18 pm »
Some links for today's trial start:

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/valleyfever/2011/03/james_ray_death_lodge_trial_st.php

The manslaughter trial for snake oil salesman James Arthur Ray is set to kick off in Yavapai County courtroom today, and it will be televised live on the In Session network thanks to a ruling from Judge Warren Darrow.

Ray's been charged with three counts of manslaughter for the October 2009 deaths of three participants of a sweat lodge ceremony in Sedona.

According to court documents obtained by New Times, Ray discouraged participants from leaving the sweat lodge, even as some were throwing up and passing out.


One of the victims, 49-year-old Liz Neuman, of Prior Lake, Minnesota, died of multiple-organ failure after the ceremony. The other two victims, 38-year-old Kirby Brown of Westtown, New York, and 40-year-old James Shore of Wisconsin, each fell victim to heat stroke after being in the sweat tent.

Ray maintains that the deaths were a tragic accident, but prosecutors feel that stuffing dozens of people into a hot, poorly ventilated sweat tent -- and then discouraging them from leaving -- is more than just an accident.

Ray's attorneys have repeatedly tried to have the trial moved from Yavapai County to somewhere closer to Phoenix. They don't believe it's possible for their client to get a fair trial in Yavapai County because of  extensive media coverage of the case. They've renewed a request asking the trial be moved to Maricopa County.

The Associated Press reports that his attorneys say jury questionnaires reveal widespread prejudice against Ray in Yavapai County.

Ray's lawyers made a similar request last summer, which was denied by Judge Warren Darrow. At the time, though, Darrow said he'd still consider the request as the case moves closer to trial.

If convicted, Ray faces up to 10 years in prison for each count.
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Re: James Arthur Ray Trial to be televised via In Session ALSO on CNN
« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2011, 03:14:00 am »
I’ve been watching the James Ray manslaughter trial on CNN live all afternoon. The prosecutor is doing pretty good, but the defense makes me want to throw things at the computer.

You can watch the James Ray sweat lodge death trial live online if you go to cnn blog and click on the live stream link:
CNN blog:

http://news.blogs.cnn.com

Live Stream link:

http://www.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=2

(IE may not wor for some ppl & you may need Firefox)

Here’s some links on the opening statements and pix the jury can’t see

Pix the jury can't see - 2008 Sedona sweat lodge photos
 http://is.gd/CpdB0n

Prosecutor: Victims' mental state key in trial of self-help guru charged in sweat lodge deaths
http://is.gd/lfqvf5

KPHO PHX: Opening statements begin In sweat lodge  trial
http://is.gd/wH9frx

Oprah's guru accused of killing 3 ppl in sweat lodge 2 make them 'spiritual warriors'
http://is.gd/HcsQJ7

MSNBC: Guru's trial over AZ Sweatlodge deaths starts
 http://is.gd/TKpD21

 Northern Arizona blog:  Opening Arguments at sweat lodge  trial
http://is.gd/c9H8lz

 Sedona Sweatlodge trial: Defense plays audio tapes
 http://is.gd/j827xp

NYT: Trial in Sweat Lodge Deaths Begins
 http://is.gd/YJIgR8

Talk Left -  Manslaughter Trial Begins for AZ  Sweat Lodge Operator
 http://is.gd/FStCQm

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#NDNZ for the latest stuff
also try #sweatlodgetrial #JamesRay #deathlodge #JamesARay for updates




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Offline dabosijigwokush

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Re: James Arthur Ray Trial to be televised via In Session
« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2011, 04:38:51 pm »
They need to stop calling what he ran as a ceremony, I have never paid to be at or in a ceremony, What he had was a show, as he is only a bad actor, At a show with bad revues , miss managed props, untrained stage crew,
remember when a fire happens in a club and people die, it comes down to the fault of the staff, not the paying public, I don't care what release you have to sign it still does not excuse safety protocols
The courts needs to go after not just him but all the staff involved
 

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Re: James Arthur Ray Trial to be televised via In Session
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2011, 12:33:41 am »
Absolutely! It was a purely a money-making event for James Ray.

Today, there was the first article in a long time that even mentioned real ndnz:

Sweat Lodge Trial Fuels Native American Frustrations

http://is.gd/ZbrMxJ

The prosecution is still going to call someone named Singing Bear as a sweat lodge 'expert' - another Sedona fraud, I believe.

I can't even count the number of frauds that have come forward as experts and tried to promote their pay-to-pray scams.

There's little chance that any legitimate ndn will get to say a word at this trial.
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Re: James Arthur Ray Trial to be televised via In Session
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2011, 09:35:28 pm »
Just another death ray

http://www.davidsingingbear.com/

Singing Bear will help people achieve self-empowerment and emotional and mental healing by taking the journey to sacred places within themselves.

Nobody knows what specific suffering someone will have to go through that will bring them back to remembering."

   David Singingbear
David Scott Gonzaga
David Scott Losthorse

David Singingbear
60 Arrowhead Dr
Sedona, AZ 86351-8901

http://articles.latimes.com/1996-08-24/local/me-37077_1_vehicle-registration



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Re: James Arthur Ray Trial to be televised via In Session
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2011, 10:14:19 pm »
Just another death ray

http://www.davidsingingbear.com/

Singing Bear will help people achieve self-empowerment and emotional and mental healing by taking the journey to sacred places within themselves.

Nobody knows what specific suffering someone will have to go through that will bring them back to remembering."

   David Singingbear
David Scott Gonzaga
David Scott Losthorse

David Singingbear
60 Arrowhead Dr
Sedona, AZ 86351-8901

http://articles.latimes.com/1996-08-24/local/me-37077_1_vehicle-registration

(928) 284-1773

We have a thread on "David Singingbear" here: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2479

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Re: James Arthur Ray Trial to be televised via In Session
« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2011, 07:02:52 pm »
The #NDNZ crew on Twitter have been posting some of the best coverage of the trial. Top stories, links and videos are updated every 24 hours or so at The #NDNZ Daily: http://paper.li/tag/NDNZ

http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/02/sweat-lodge-trial-fuels-native-american-frustrations/
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So when [David Singingbear] was asked to design a sweat lodge outside Sedona, where he lives, it mattered to him that it was done right. He says he selected the blankets and canvas covering that would breathe...

Really? Photos and video of the DeathLodge clearly show blue plastic tarps as part of the structure.

I watched the Thursday and Friday recordings of "In Session". Multiple photos of the deathlodge show not only blue plastic tarps, but heavy, overlapping coverings of brown, black and grey that all appear to be heavy-gauge plastic. Inside the construction blankets, possibly canvas, and what appears to be blue plastic are all visible. But on the outside the heavy plastic appears to cover the entire structure and is weighted down all around the outside with rocks on the ground. It looks like they made every effort to make it air-tight.

With that construction, and the size of the thing, Ray and the others right next to the door would have been the only ones getting much fresh air when the door was opened.

So unless David Singingbear is saying that Angel Valley staff, his nephew, and/or Ray and his "Dream Team" completely removed the blankets and canvas he selected - blankets that were interwoven with the plastic in multiple patchwork layers - and completely rebuilt the structure with plastic, his statement in the report linked above does not line up with the evidence.

The photos are shown many times in the broadcast. On the Thursday 3/3/11 recording they start at 1:38. Friday 3/4/11 they are at 4:51, 5:14, and other times.

A very irritating and disturbing part of the coverage is the In Session host, Christi Paul. She continually makes mistakes, such as calling witnesses by the wrong name. Worse, she has said things like, "We're getting a good idea what happens in a sweatlodge ceremony."   >:(   There has been little to no effort to distinguish Ray's horrible travesty from legitimate ceremony. Words like, "medicine wheel," "vision quest," and of course, "sweatlodge," are casually tossed around to describe what these newagers did.

One witness describes making "tobacco pouches" as an offering, and says it had "no meaning" to her, nor did she really understand why they were doing it;  she just did it because they were told to.

Granted I have not watched the whole stream, only the In Session reports. But I have heard no mention of prayer, tradition or culture. The closest is that one witness mentioned there was "chanting" in the beginning, which she says was in... Peruvian.  ???  Ray's defense is partially that this was *not* a religious ceremony, and that he is not a religious leader. It was presented as an extreme endurance event. Yet the lawyers and the television hosts continually refer to the atheistic exercises they did as "ceremonies". And Ray's own words on the tape recordings show he referred to himself as a spiritual leader, compared himself to God, compared himself to a monk, and referred to the upcoming deathlodge as a temple.

This is truly sickening. I knew it would be, but it's awful to hear this stuff. The only good part is watching DeathRay twitch and squirm. I suppose it's also good that the inner workings of these atheistic, appropriative, exploitative events are being exposed. I know Ray is not unique. Not by a long shot. The coverage of this trial is making it clear to those who did not know that there is an entire subcultures of these types out there.
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