I agree with "no we do not Pay for a "tribal" card". I am enrolled member of the Standing Rock Sioux Tribe.
No one pays for emrollment unless it is some kind of club?
I would like to know which tribes did you contact?
We do not have any history that you are talking about i can trace our history for 2000 years.
I am a tribal historian and keep the recorsd for my nation.
I also would like more information on this Sanders?
So very strange
Firstly let me Thank Educated for the response and openness to real dialogue in matters like this, as my Only issue is fairness in the matter, as a Seminole myself!
Let me clear up, that I have no clue to why there are Arabic or Muslim names in their tribe, but can give or "ASSUME" like most do in forums, that these people have religious freedom, and is the basic foundation for all!
I do know someone will probably dispute that and see it the way they want!
Most natives here in the states still carry Christian names like John, Sue, Timothy and the likes, but we do not criticize them, for using the Eurpoean Conquers names, and yes I feel we are conquered if we use their name in stead of Traditional names, in our Traditional Tongue as our ancestors before us once did.
We all have to admit times have changed, but is it reason, to immediately feel something is WRONG or Fake about a Tribe "NO", as I then say QUESTION all of the Tribal Councils with Americanized or British given Names, instead of Traditional Tongue names
I think educated Tribes People on this forum should get that point!
But and example also is there is plenty of their council with normal names, and I have even seen on FB, they have Pale, and Redmen apart who have Full blooded ancestors such as**** Ramos and **** Sena that claims Hopi, so this as I have paid attention and researched all day to make sure I was on point, makes me feel like this is not connected to any Hate group, muslim group or the likes, now make sure before I move on WE ALL take on the above statements made first! He without European SIN cast the first stone...
They promote, being Multi Ethnic, and it is shown, where as the Nuwaubians and Sanders, And the AT-Sik-Hata all claim (MOORS) only!
THE Statement from the "The Standing Rock Sioux member" Why would you have history that says anything except what and whom you encountered in your Tribes documents if Your tribe never dealt with this Group of Natives?
That's a confusing statement and no disrespect is meant by it!
TRIBAL ID PAYMENTS:Tribal ID payments are only done by FRAUD GROUPS here is the quote and no#1 outlined, and thank you for outlining these for me
"1) Paying for a "tribal" card is a problem because only frauds do that. That cheats people who are or believe they are Native, but don't know enough about the culture to realize that no actual Native tribe does that."
***My only reply is to that somebody need to tell the Blackfeet Tribe That they a FRAUD GROUP***
http://www.blackfeetenrollment.org/tribal_identification.php"Tribal ID Fees
Enrolled Member: $10.00 (receipt required)
Enrolled Member (65) years and older: No Charge"
And I hope no one says that is only one example, as the statement implies NO LEGITIMATE TRIBE CHARGES, and I think the amount does not matter, there is obviously a charge which is why, I asked early, is that what "CAT" tribes do?
Oh and someone needs to tell the Oneida nation also!
http://www.oneidanation.org/enrollment/svcidcards.aspx"Identification Cards
Picture ID Card
A picture Tribal Identification Card can be issued to any, currently enrolled Tribal Member (no age requirements). The Tribal Member must be present to be issued this card and must provide another form of picture ID. ex. Driver's License
Cost: $3.50 for persons under 55 years
Cost: $1.50 for persons age 55 and over
For children who are under the age of 18, a parent must be present with a picture ID. For children who are not able to sign their name, parent must print the child's name and sign initials. "
****Oh Yeah and The Choctaw****
http://www.choctaw.org/government/services/hrBackground.html***The SIOUX**** Your Band or Tribe might want to contact the other Sioux and tell them, they are FRAUDULENT because they are Charging:
"TO OBTAIN A TRIBAL ID
lakotawinyan55@hotmail.com
Tribal ID’s are taken here within our office daily 8:00 A.M. to 5:00 P.M., Monday through Friday
Documents needed will be, your Social Security Card, so a copy can be made for your file, marriage license or divorce decree to update current name
Tribal ID’s cost $5.00"
****LUMBEE***
http://www.lumbeetribe.com/Office%20of%20Tribal%20Clerk/tribal%20clerk%20index.htmlNow I Ask why are these people targeted, for charging for their Tribal ID cards?
And you should add this entire group on that list of Frauds and Fakes, matter of fact lets contact them and tell them they are frauds because they do what "Some" Other tribes do not!
Next Subject Seminole Tribe Link and Quote:Taken from :
http://www.semtribe.com/FAQ/Q: What were the Seminoles before they came to Florida?
A: The core of the Seminole people did not "come" to Florida. This is, and was, their home. In the 1770s, English speakers encountered them for the first time and decided to call them Seminoles, but the Indians continue to know and remember that they were Yuchi or Yamasee or Tequesta or Abalachi.......or any of the hundreds of tribes that had lived and hunted all over the Florida peninsula for thousands of years before the coming of the English or the Spaniards. Further details on this process of historical 'transformation' are available in the answers to the other questions in this section, and in other pages on this Website. Take your time and read them carefully. Seminole history is rich and exciting and comple
***Now let us look carefully at a Yuchi since they were the closest relative to the Yamassee and actually have images not taken out of history books!
Chief "Kipahalgwa" link :
http://yallerdog.com/amohkali/images_vonReck.htmAnd more recent descendants in 1909:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Yuchibigturtledance.pngI do not see any fair skin or even close to Pale faces here either!
Now lets View my Ancestors, in whom I spoke with and asked this question whom are the Yamassee, at the Reservation today!
http://www.texasescapes.com/LindaKirkpatrick/Teresita-Woman-of-the-Apache.htmhttp://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Misc/Common/Mississippian/Mississippian.htmhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/30398428@N07/3643855652/in/photostreamhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/30398428@N07/3643049103/in/photostreamhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/30398428@N07/3392038134/in/photostreamhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/30398428@N07/3399871518/in/photostreamI asked also why do our picture depict in the museum " Black people" and not those of our color?
Answer: Grandfather said "Those were the children of the yamachee, and my grandfather told me a story when i was a boy, he said never forget, how our brother saved us, just one child, who was what they call black today! The little boy spoke our language but still foreign in certain words of our tongue, to us, but he say, words we did under stand, to the best of his mind. He said go, city boom, and my grandfather said they go, and after they leave the city, they saw it blow up. The white man had dynamite they had ran through the town we were walking, and blew it up. that little boy saved us!"
My grandfather also is married to my grandmother whom is Seminole, but she is creek seminole and speak with my grandfather, but he speak the old language, and he spoke it to me, and he said she do not understand this language because, she is creek, and the spainards changed her people tongue, he talked about conflict etc,,, and said things for me not to repeat, but he said something important, that they are our people "Yamassee"
So that supports the congressional records as, my family is and example of breeding out!
Coming to a Close: Black hawk is now trying again affiliate himself with the Yamassee Nation by buying a website that simulate theirs, and steal the glory:
http://www.yamasseenation.com he did have a site recently called
www.yamasseegov.ws but it shut down quickly, I think the Yamassee Nation people had something to do with that, and NO he has been active since 2006 as the recent website shows, AND I KNOW THIS GUY IS A FRAUD... Even the Nuwaubians stay clear of this guy! Link:
http://www.unnm.org/index.php?option=com_ninjaboard&view=topic&id=2&Itemid=4People houses being taken :
http://www.winslowtownship.com/filestorage/1705/2010_Notice_of_Tax_Sale_and_Advertisement.pdfhttp://www.indiabizclub.com/qxzpmd/?q=;zqmazqsu5o5o09qrthttp://muurishgansul.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=64&Itemid=64Even these guys:
Continental Moorish EMPIRE
http://imperialgov.cmye.org/And as far as At-Sik-hata (lol) just google the Name and this comes up, these guys were under Derrick H. Sanders and Split:
http://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ie=UTF-8&ion=1#hl=en&sclient=psy-ab&q=At-Sik+hata+nation&oq=At-Sik+hata+nation&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_l=serp.3...11740.17865.0.18377.18.18.0.0.0.0.729.1841.16j6-1.18.0...0.0.3Kmy5FFv2o8&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=f99264d9a841354e&biw=1280&bih=923&ion=1
So as you ALL see, the Yamassee nation are not doing anything close to what these guys are doing, and seem to stay away from any kind of association, and or Tatics these other crazy folks even try! They have come off as Honorable, and self sustaining without the assistance from the government, as I can show you from our tribal experience and others what working with them do as far as Gov-TO-GOV.
Again, I do not promote just I have REALLY Done a Unbias outlook on the options, and they even have attended our Festivals...These other guys, do not care about anything but money! ***SORRY FOR LONG DRAWN OUT OUTLINE, AND YES I KNOW I DID NOT TOUCH ON EVERY ISSUE, BUT HAVE NO PROBLEM DOING SO IN ANOTHER POST, IT JUST GOT LONG WITH THE BASIC TOPICS***
