1. I met this man Joseph White Wolf in Sedona and was quite impressed with him.
2. I confronted him about it and he showed me his identity card. It was issued by the League of Indian Nations of North America, North Bay Ontario chapter. I did some research on the Internet and called their chapter office. They confirmed that he IS who he says is. To get this ID card requires your complete family history and a long form birth certificate.
3. Their website is http://www.linna.org
4. I think you are doing a hatchet job on Joseph White Wolf with statements like, “There are other allegations of outright criminal wrongdoing that I won't post unless or until there's proof.” To make a statement like that and leave it there IS making an allegation already!
5. To call someone a fraud means that they are deceptive and dishonest. Just because someone believes differently than you doesn’t mean they’re a fraud.
6. When I asked him what he was going to do about the allegations he said, “I tried to contact them to talk but they refused, so now there’s nothing else that needs to be done. I think they must be really angry people. I do what I do because I’m guided by Creator to do it, and I don’t have time to waste on that”.
7. My opinion is that people need to stop exploiting him.
8. If you are really interested in the truth you will remove him from your site and do the research.
9. Of course, if you are more interested in the money your .org can get from donors than you are the truth, you'll probably leave his name on your site and never make that call.
10. I’ve given my testimony and that’s all I have to say in this forum -- because I don’t have time to waste either.
1. You didn't say why you were impressed. Since you sought him out in Sedona, my guess is, like many others, he told you what you wanted to hear, lots of fluff.
2.Actually the LINA website does not say one has to be enrolled. Someone who is a descendant, as we ourselves said before, can get a card.
So ironically you just confirmed what we already said in our research.
3. Actually it's
www.linna.ca. ironically you weren't careful with the facts.
4.Just the opposite, it's being careful NOT to make a false allegation. And it's also calling for further investigation.
5. The problem is Cosgrove is selling non-Native beliefs as Native. That is fraud, and deception, and it's done for money.
Were he to relabel himself accurately as someone of distant Native ancestry with no understanding of Native traditions selling Nuage beliefs, then he would not be a fraud.
6.Cosgrove has made absolutely NO effort to contact anyone here.
If you'd bothered to check, you know, actually do some research and know your facts, you'd see that frauds come here all the time to try and defend themselves. We welcome them. Often they can clear up unclear facts.
At other times, their own words are used to hang them, as Cosgrove has done by being exposed now as a liar.
And of course Cosgrove goes into the usual Nuage fluffy line, that somehow anger is a bad thing.
Come on, do you really expect Natives will never get mad given all the abuse done?
And clearly you're far angrier in your defense of Cosgrove than anything we've said. It's got you so angry you're almost sputtering. That's why you keep making these obvious mistakes.
7. Our opinion is that he needs to quit exploiting his distant Native ancestry and come clear about being purely a fluffy Nuage practitioner who gets people killed because he doesn't know how to actually heal.
8. Why would we? All the evidence you provided confirms our research.
If you were truly interested in the truth you'd quit defending an incompetent fraud posing as a Native healer, and you'd actually do the research you falsely accuse others of not doing.
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What money would that be? If anything, we LOSE money, all of us. We are all volunteers. No one is paid anything. And the website is given to use for free by others who believe in what we do. Before that, we paid for the site ourselves every year for many years.
But you would know that...if you had bothered to do your research and were truly interested in the truth.
10. IOW, like Mr Cosgrove, you're going to stomp your feet like a kid on the playground and stick your fingers in your ears while going "La la la, can't hear you." Very immature, and it does not help Cosgrove one bit.
Let us know if you grow up, and then we'd be glad to talk.
