POV is a cult or a religious organisation? Those authorized experts who can explore the different organisations, can they classify POV in a category as cult or religious organisation or something else? I got no experiences and I knew too few about POV to classify.
But I try to envision to myself which results can develope from POV´s way and there are just very few aspects based on a part of the following letter
https://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=261854654609. Just few, there is a lot coming up in my mind when I try to understand what is behind, and this is my way to see.
From the letter (
in italic)
1. "Violence except in self defense shows ego-driven behavior which only works for and brings more darkness as we approach the dawn."
2. "On the other hand, never let anyone victimize you. It hurts you and increases both of your guilt."
"Disengage yourself from anyone who is attacking because even if they are right, they are totally wrong. How one’s process shows itself in life is much more telling than what they seem to espouse. "
> 1. What do POV understand about "Violence"? I think POV differentiate between physical and psychological aspects, but what is violence, what is it not?
Some emotions are a kind of violence, and everybody got his different emotions: Pleasure, mourning, grief, anger, etc. they due in a context to its causations and excited reactions - and this a part of conversation and exchange between people - should be.
Negative emotions are a kind of violence, they hurt, its causations hurt, the excited emotions hurt, hurt myself and other, maybe. The pain shows there is something going wrong, I want other to know and understand this, I don´t want this any longer, they should stop this. There is no place for a smile in me. And this brings more darkness to me? Yes, this is ok. Or is this wrong, do I got no right to say what is not ok? It doesn´t mean I addict to a constant hate or pain.
> 2. What should I do now with my bad emotions? I don´t disengage myself, I make something clear, I do not want to tear someone in pieces.
I am guilty for my bad feelings of my bad emotions. Without being guilty I cannot explain honestly to other people what happens to me with their behaviour, I cannot clear the context. If I disengage, how could I reach the other one and ask him to stop this hurt? How could I expect this person will understand me? How could I understand someone whom I have hurt? Could I stop my harming behaviour without facing what I have done and do? Impossible. If I really try to find out what all this really means to my inner, I must confrontate and reflect this. There are the causations, my reactions, my emotions, well this process tells more than words just can do. Well, they belong together. Negative emotions left a bad feeling inside, they don´t feel well, fine or happy. Their task is to identify, to understand, comprehend that there is or was a situation which was bad, it must be stopped. And I don´t smile when I am angry or sad, I don´t laugh and turn my pain into lies. And I don´t misuse other energy.
For some people to feel the pain of bad emotions is important to understand those bad liveevents they have been undergoing, they were terrible, hurting, fearing, false ... and often they learn they are not guilty. (for e.g. abuse, see later).
I know people who disengage - dissociating - their emotions and reactions away from the causations, they got no connection to their inner, they are mentally ill and a lot of them suffer from this way of life. Sometimes the causations, emotions and reactions don´t belong together, they are acting in a muster and cannot stop this at all. Do POV force this way of dissociation?
People with these kinds of mental desease learn to reflect and confrontate their life, to understand what happened, and then they can change something on their own. This is a hard way to walk to face the facts, maybe integrate ... and look for a good way to live. It is not easy in practice, not successful at every time. Sometimes it is easy towalk, sometimes it seems impossible. This is one part of a psychotherapy, POV do not touch this part.
"Even in situations where you are totally overwhelmed by another’s attack, you can use that energy that comes against you to lift you up into higher consciousness."What do POV tell me? I use the other one´s energy to fight him back to deliver the guilt, just then I am not guilty anymore. I need to abuse negative emotions to fight against other people, who harmed POV or me in reality or in suggestions? And its causations? This is a terrible feeling to behave in this way. And I must be blinded not to comprehend what I do to other people (critics; ...), blinded fore the harm, suffer, tears, I will be guilty. There is no excuse in delivering guilt. This is not the way I want to live. But this seems the way POV want from their people?
In a higher consciousness it is easy to lose the sight and contact to life. This higher consciousness is too far away from living, there is no nearness and no place for reflection.
Could POV ever understand, comprehend the processes of other way of thinking, emotions, reactions, is there even a place for it?
Or better put this in honest words: This must not be a part of a successful aim in their "therapy", it would be counterproductive for the results. Results? "To forgive" To forgive whom and what? Who is part of the world?
"The key is to value peace, which shows how much you value yourself and to employ forgiveness when you are not peaceful to bring you peace. It is our purpose to forgive the world. It is what we came for. This shows that we do not value smallness, nor consider ourselves small but recognize our greatness and equally that of others as children of Light, though some may have lost their way. Peace is the gateway to true greatness, rather than the exaggeration of the ego. Peace generates love, abundance and happiness. What is in our mind, even the most hidden bits, are displayed in the world around us, so to forgive is to forgive ourselves for the hidden negativity within us."Peace is not something I can get or buy, I must work for it, and a higher place to reach is not my kind, not in this way I got to see this in a forced connection with forgiveness.
Do POV understand, there are lifeevents of people who don´t want to feel peace for it, that there is no place to forgive? Noone should tell me whom I have to forgive, whom not. This is always my individual decision. POV tell me if I forgive other who hurt me, I don´t forgive myself; but this is a cruel correlation, a lie.
What does it mean to violated victims: If victims forgive their tormentors, they forgive themself (victims)? This is a cruel emotional blackmail and maybe they will clutch at these straws to disappear from the pain, they don´t want to live with it.
Those tormentors who hurt other, abuse, misuse, hit, afflict, crucify ... do POV forgive them? Do POV really imply the victims they should forgive their tormentors to forgive themself? Have they (POV) ever felt on their own, what they force the victims who are been hurt to do? If the victims are not successful to forgive, maybe they feel guilty, feel guilty as the tormentor told the victim again and again and again: "You are guilty for what you have deserved." The tormentor justify his violation of the raped woman. Cruel!
There are people who don´t want to feel peace or forgiveness. Are the victims wrong? I saw the documentary "Höllenleben" at youtube and the woman was asked, if they can forgive their mother. No, they cannot. And the woman, all these people of this group in this woman, they all got the right to say this. (Höllenleben is a documantary about a woman with DID who survived satanic abuse, the documantary is hard)
I know about people who where hurt very hard through their lifeevents, they got the right to say "I am so angry and I don´t forgive." Who got the right to tell them they must forgive?
All this does not mean, these people stay in bad emotions for all the time. But to feel the pain shows them very true that something was very wrong.
Certainley they look for peace and a good way to live, but they chose on their own. This is a great difference. And maybe some of them can forgive teir offender, maybe, maybe not.
To forgive this is no the right of POV, and this not therapy what POV is doing.
I don´t think, POV wants to walk this cruel way, but how often they do it? Do POV know something about psychology? I can not say, but I could imagine yes. How deep is their understanding and knowledge and what do they misconstrue I cannot say.
I fear, in this special way POV works, there can never be conversation and understanding, there is never a deep listening. For POV it seems easily to pervert or lose some facts, embedded in some true facts - a cruel mix losing its real meaning. And they don´t have a close look what they cause by their work. Truth and understanding is not what POV is looking for.
In their work they I see, that they have got and work for a therapeutic aim in mind. There is a beginning, a reason to start their therapy. But what they don´t do: They don´t let the people walk their own path with an individual aim of therapy, they cannot find their needs, cannot reflect themselves. There is no way to walk, this "mid" way, is it lost, forgotten, misused?
And what is about the end of the therapy, its results, are they dissolved and cleared? It doesn´t seem to me, maybe that's also not what POV wish, they want dependency, no freedom, no own decisions. But responsibility is everybody his own thing. POV is not responsible because everybody chose on its own to follow POV, no matter how free is somebody to be able to chose.
You cannot deliver responsibility, even POV cannot do this. But in this case, what is responsibility?
This is just few I understand from the little of their work POV offer, if they would offer more, I don´t know what results are coming up. Maybe POV will fear the answers of critics and experts.
