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Larson Medicinehorse
« on: September 15, 2013, 05:03:51 pm »

The name of Larson Medicinehorse has come up here before, in the thread on Benjamin Joseph Cloud and „Spiritcamp“ in Austria. (cf    )

When I researched LMH back then in 2007, there weren't many results, and only a few persons claiming LMH as their teacher and to have been authorised by LMH to do sweatlodges. This has changed meanwhile – the number of persons claiming him for authorisations and initiations has increased considerably, as well as for participation in sundances organised by LHM at the Crow rez in Montana. LMH also participated in Nuage congresses and did summer camps in Germany, and at least one „tribe“, going by the name of „Wolfsklan“, has been founded according to Medicinehorse's „providence“, as they say.

 The earliest date I get for LMH doing seminars on ndn spirituality and selling ceremonies mentions is 1989, and the way this is phrased indicates there might be a longer history of activities prior to that year. LMH seems to have given up touring Germany, but there are sites mentioning his sundance continuing. LMH seems to have been in Europe for a camp in 2009 again, and the last info about a sundance with Euro participation I can find is for 2011, as far as websites mentioning his activities claim.

Persons claiming LMH for authorisations and as their sundance chief come from Germany, Austria, and Switzerland. All of them in turn are selling ndn ceremony, and some create more shame-ons.


This is one of the earliest results, mentioning a Nuage congress from 1994:

https://vikas.de/LEXIKON/Dachverband%20Geistiges%20Heilen.html

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During a 1994 congress of psychic healers, W. made an appearance with some of the most questionable figures of this scene. […] more than 50 known lecturers gathered, among them Johannes von Buttlar and Uri Geller […], Russian psychic healer „Princess Kuragina“ […], not to forget about the „psychic surgeons“ Jun and Juko Labo from the Philippines and Indian „medicine man“ Larson Medicinehorse.



http://die-blume-des-lebens.ch/jm/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=23&Itemid=26

The site is maintained by a Swiss lady by the name of Renata Prikryl who also goes by „White Feather“. On June 11, 2011, 13:07 she writes:

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It is a great honour for me to have been invited for the sundance to Crow Agency this year.
Now I received the following message from my heart brother Matthias Walter yesterday, he is a sundancer and will dance his fourth cycle this year. He writes:
The news about catastrophes with the cleansing of our mother earth do not stop, unfortunately.
Now our friends at the Crow Reservation have been hit badly.
In particular sundance leader Ben and his young family, our chief Larson Medicinehorse and his wife Patty with their families have been badly effected on their piece of land at „Devils Island“.
Little Bighorn River has flooded a substantial part of the Indian reservation of Crow Agency. I now received a personal call for help from Larson Medicinehorse. They need our helping hands for cleaning and building up again.


This is a German lady by the name of Inge Ritter:
http://www.ltgj.de/termine-seminare/schwitzhuetten-zeremonie-2

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Invitation to a Sweatlodge Ceremony
[…]I invite you to participate in the sweatlodge ceremony. […]. I have received the authorisation to lead sweatlodges from Sundance Chief Larson Medicinehorse of the Crow tribe. I combine this ceremony with components of our culture. With this, I comply to the wish of Larson Medicinehorse to introduce own traditions to the sweatlodge.
Spring ceremony: Sat, Mar 31, 012
Dawn lodge: Sat, June 23, 2012
Autumn ceremony: Sat, Sept 22, 2012
Medicine gift: Traditionally, the sweatlodge ceremony will be followed by a give-away. In our times, the exchange of energies is done more and more with money. We ask you to give Euro 20 to cover expenses (wood, other material, and for a small meal afterwards).

Ritter advertises on other sites, too:
http://www.ueber-bruecken-gehen.de/ritualevoelker

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Sweatlodge according to Larson Medicinehorse
Larson Medicinehorse was Sundance Chief and Keeper of the Crow/Shoshoni Sundance Society (an „office“ he retired from due to health reasons) and he is a Sundance Chief in the Lakota tradition.[...]
Three years ago, he lead his last sundance at the Crow Reservation in which I participated. In gratefulness I remember his presence and love which I was able to experience during this time, and the spiritual experience and the handing over of the sacred pipe.


Manuel Bert Breuer, another seller of ceremony:
http://www.schamanismus-berlin.de/mueber/index.htm

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Alternative practioner, personnel consultant, Free Spirit Shaman, Sound Medium, teacher
Born in the town of Bochum in 1966
At first did an apprenticeship as a banker, studies of economics at a university (diploma)
Since 2005 alternative practioner in Berlin
Therapeutic trainings
Shamanic training with Roland Scholz, Larson Medicinehorse (Crow Sundance Chief) and Sven Sauter

Breuer claims further trainings in Family Constellations, Craniosacral Osteopathy, and authorisation as a sweatlodge leader by Larson Medicinehorse.

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Inspirations abroad
1982/83 Spent a year in the USA with the clain of Ma Clancy, my Cherokee guest-mum
1985, 2000, 2002 – further travels to the USA taking me more and more close to my Indian roots
1987, 1991, 1995 – intense travels to Brazil, exploring spiritual traditions [...]

Warning – racist wording:
http://www.schamanismus-berlin.de/mrituale/index.htm

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Since 2008, I am authorised to lead sweatlodges by Crow Sundance Chief Larson Medicinehorse. This cultural heritage of our red relatives I view as fertile soil from which our own Middle European shamanic heritage may become alive again.

This is from German language „healer-forum“:
http://www.heiler-forum.net/index.php?page=Thread&threadID=12104
User: Markus, post dd: Nov 26, 2010
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[...] On a shamanic journey I received the task to build a sweatlodge just for myself, when I asked, Larson (Thomas Larson Medicinehorse, one of the spiritual leaders and Sundance Chiefs of the Crow) said […] An important step (prior to the one described above) was the authorisation by Larson to pour at sweatlodges done in his tradition […]
I meanwhile know, due to having asked explicitely, that this authorisation made me a member of the crownation, represent their people and tradition … When I received the authorisation, I wasn't quite aware... but I don't know about life, culture, and being of the Crow exept from what I heard from Larson and saw and realised in several years of one week each in summercamp … too little in my eyes to represent the Crow people … I'm not prepared to do something I don't know about. Although Larson allowed me to do this (admittedly he handed out authorizations to pour somewhat inflationary....) [...]
Emphasis mine

Christoph Poyck selling sweatlodges in the industrial Rhine region:

http://niederrhein-guide.gesundheit-familie.de/die-schwitzhutte-am-niederrhein/gedanken-zur-zeremonie/

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My first sweatlodges which I attended were done in Lakota tradition according to Archie Fire Lame Deer. Later on there were traditional lodges in Crow tradition with Ben Oldfeather Cloud and Larson Medicinehorse. Peter Alvarez, an Apache, I thought more Western regarding the focus of his ceremonies taking long hours.



Daphne Bastek, an altmed healer offering several CAM treatments:

http://www.deltaphi.de/sweat.html
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I learned the sweatlodge from Patty and Larson Medicinehorse of the Crow tribe and from Patty received the authorisation to lead sweatlodges. Although both are Crow they learned and teach the Lakota sweatlodge. So basically you will be introduced to a Lakota sweatlodge. I developed my own style characterised by components from our culture. With this, I follow the advice of Crow examples who explicitely recommended to look for own traditions in correspondence with the meaning of the sweatlodge.

There is also rather dangerous advice given on her website:

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Scarlet fever: Treated wrong by medicine since decades?
Alternative practicians are not allowed to treat acute scarlet fever. But no doctor is compelled to prescribe antibiotics in cases of scarlet fever. There are also naturopathic MDs or homoeopathic MDs. You don't have to go to see a doctor if you are confident you're able to treat your child yourself and you child is well fed.

In Austria and some federal states of Germany, cases of and deaths due to scarlet fever are subject to an obligation to notify authorities.



Another shaman who offers ceremony and shaman trainings, Matthias Walter aka Lightfire:

http://www.lightfire.de/downloads/2013-schamanische-Ausbildung-master-neu.pdf

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Lighfire is the medicine name of Matthias Walter, initiated by the Crow Indians, who since 18 years walks the Indian-shamanic path and gathered substantial knowledge regarding their culture [sic], traditions and rituals.
At the age of 22, he had a vision after his first sweatlodge which said that earth is a living organism with which he is in direct contact. […]
He passes his knowledge in various circles in Germany and thus fulfills an ancient Indian prophecy.  Lovingly accompanied by Buffalo Woman we meet for this training to share this knowledge with each other […].

Matthias Walter, born 1972, spiritual teacher, skull keeper, sundancer, leader of rituals and sweatlodges, earth healer, trainer of executive managers, Chief of the Wolfclan, initiator of Source of Life Academy (SOLA) and of Peace Tree Foundation

I am grateful to my spiritual teachers Derwish Baba for schooling of my heart and Larson Medicinehorse, medicine man of the Crow Indians for the caring attendance on my path, as well as to Manitonquat for the „path of the circle“, to my spirit leader, white Buffalo Calf woman, and to all my spiritual siblings from all worlds.


Walter apparently sells a hodge-podge of traditions and also has impressive price tags:

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Training Cycle 2013
July 5-7, 2013: shamanic healing
Aug 2-4, 2013: Paths to power
Sept 2-9, 2013: Vision Quest
Nov 22-22, 2013: Initiation to Merkaba
May 2-4, 2014: Firewalk & Initiation

Your contribution of appreciation:

€ 1,999 for 19 days of training plus VAT
Accomodation and food excluded

The Euro sum converts to USD 2,619.50.


This one only wants to be known by his first name:

http://geomium.com/event/einladung-zur-wintersonnenwend-schwitzhutte-am-221211-2773342/

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Invitation to Winter Solstice Sweatlodge Dec 22, 2011

[…] I received my authorisation to lead sweatlodges in 2004 in North America from Crow Sundance Chief and medicine man Larson Medicinehorse in whose tribe, the Crow, I was allowed to live for some time. […]

Looking forward to meet you, Holger



This site advertises a former student of Medicinehorse selling sweats on their premises:

http://www.trommelbauen.de/contents/c_aktuelles.php

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Due to our trip to Montana, the possibilities in Light Centre Panama in the town of Althuette have extended considerably. Medicineman and Chief Larson Medicinehorse has authorised some of us to lead sweatlodges after a long time of training.
Therefore, we are not dependant on Matthias any longer, but are in a position to offer and perform sweatlodges regularly. This is meant to become a stable and will be extended as required.

The person mentioned presumably is Mattias Walter aka Lightfire. Light Centre also found another way to make money:

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From Aug 7 to 14, there will be a Summer Camp at Light Centre Panama in Althuette-Waldenweiler.
We are living from the moment and, as always, plan according to „Indian Time“. There will definitely be sweatlodges, talking circles, pipe ceremonies and further rituals.



This is Peter, a part-time shame-on:

http://www.lichtfocus.de/header_wir_peter.htm

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Hi, my name is Peter, born 1961 […], father of three children and a civil servant, presently working for a federal authority.

This means that any further acitivies creating an income, as an employee or in self-employment, have to be approved by his employer. Apparently, Peter feels slightly embarassed to ask for approval: 'Hey boss, I'd like to earn a few bucks as a shame-on'... Of course, not having these activities approved may also facilitate dodging the taxes due on amounts taken in.

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In summer 1996 I received authorisation to lead Crow-style sweatlodges from Larson T. Medicinehorse, Sundance Chief and one of the spiritual leaders of the Crow Indians, and official keeper of the shoshoni-/crow-sundance bundle[sic].
I'm also educating myself in Remote Viewing and magical practices. I am further interested in issues like Wilhelm Reich, Nikola Tesla, Edgar Caycee, Rudolf Steiner, Josef Kirschner and Bert Hellinger.

Another person by the name of Roland Scholz offering sweats, but he is also running his own seminar premises with his wife:
http://www.dan-casriel-institut.de/formulare/Programm_06_07.pdf

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Roland Scholz, born 1951, shamanic work in his own Centre, training in Core Shamanism and with his Indian teacher, Larson Medicinehorse, a teacher since 2002, practical shamanic work with humans and animals. Internet: www forsthaus-scheuren dot de

Scholz did several sweatlodges in 2006/2007 at this institute, e.g. on Nov 11, 06 – Dec 06, 06 – Jan 06, 07 – Feb 24,07 – Apr 21, 07 – Oct 06, 07 – Nov 24, 07 – Dec 08, 07. The price tag is Euro 50.

Apparently, Scholz has cooperated with Medicinehorse for quite some time - this is an article on a summer camp in 2001 done at Scholz's premises:

http://www.ksta.de/region/schwitzen-und-meditieren-wie-die-crow-indianer,15189102,14565832.html

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Sweating, dancing and meditating with Crow-Indian „Medicinehorse“ were the programme during a spiritual summer camp in the town of Scheuren. Roland and Ulla Scholz had not only invited fans of North American Indian culture to their old forester's lodge.
There were predominantly regular guests, as Forsthaus Scheuren has been organising summer camps on natural religious issues since years. Their house, as the couple and their son Robin claim, then becomes a „place of retreat and reflection“ for many persons.

Big-Horn-Reservation
This time, the issue was religion and rituals of the Crow. There are 12,000 Indians in this tribe today. As much as 10,000 of them live on a reservation in Big-Horn-County in the US state of Montana […].
One of these 10,000 Crow, Thomas Larson alias „Medicinehorse“, had now come to our region as a lecturer and seminar leader. Since his childhood, today's Sundance Chief „Medicinehorse“ and Thomas Larson with his proper name, has been shown the traditional ways of the Crow tribe. Today the medicine man is the official keeper of the Shoshoni-Crow-Sundance League and thus authorised to lead all spiritual ceremonies.
„Medicinehorse“ also does lectures on the culture of his tribe worldwide, as he did now in Scheuren. Thomas Larson earns his proper livelihood as a sheriff in Big-Horn-County.
[…]
The medicineman aged 61 was accompanied on his trip by his wife Patti and his granddaughter Crystal Tillmann. 15-year-old Tillmann is one of the best dancers at the Crow reservation in Monatana. She showed both spiritual and secular dances, like the Crow dance and the Grashopper dance.


This summer camp seems to have been done for several years, as I also find an advertisement for a camp in the previous year, put up by Roland Scholz:

http://www.lichtinfo.net/links/Schamanismus/

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Forsthaus Scheuren: Annual Summer Camp with Larson T. Medicinehorse, Crow-style sweatlodges done regularly.

According to info given at the „Lichtinfo“-site, the ad was placed by Roland Scholz on March 30, 2000.


A site püblished in French and German by one Awa Belrose:

http://www.seelenwerkstatt.org/sur_moi.htm

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Qualified guide of sweatlodges in the Crow and Lakota tradition (Larson Medicine Horse and Roland Scholz)


A forum entry by an anonymous user going by the nick of Spirit Walker:

http://27996.forendienst.de/f34f342bf7ff4874af89483eeedcd56d/show_messages.php?mid=4597567

User „spirit walker“, 05.05.2008 14:37

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I come from Hamburg and am a friend of Chief Larson „Medicine Horse“ (Crow), Ben „Oldfeather“ Cloud (Crow) and Chief Charles „Jahtlohi“ Rogers (Cherokee). I'm 40 years and on the „red way“[sic].
Since I did a four days' walk during a vision quest, the two Crow named above gave me the name of „Spirit Walker“.
Unfortunately, I don't speak either Lakota nor Cherokee well enough to talk to my friends in their language. Larson and Ben often come to Germany to do ceremonies here, like sweatlodges.




A lady by the name of „Antara“ Reimann claiming various CAD and nuage practices:

http://www.lichtfocus.de/header_wir_antara.htm

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Shamanic ritual healer and teacher, born Nov 15, 1955, mother of two children
Recognized healer according to the guidelines of Dachverband Geistiges Heilen [i.e. umbrella organisation Psychic Healing]
Reiki, Bach blossoms, Quadrinity, Aura viewing, Tarot, astrology, rebirthing, shamanism and paganism, Feng Shui, since 1999 training as a medium, crystal work, hypnosis, lightwork

Larson T. Medicinehorse from Crow Agency, Montana
In his tribe, he is one of the official Sundance Chiefs and spiritual leaders of the Crow Indians. He is the official keeper of the Shoshoni/Crow sundance bundle. I met him and his wife Patty in summer 1995 and for the next years attended regularly meetings for a week to do sweatlodges together and gain insights into the life of the Crow Indians. In summer 1996, Peter and I received the official approvement to pour Crow-style sweatlodges from Larson. For us, Patty and Larson have become valuable friends.[...]

Shamanism... contd.
From April 1999 to June 2000, I was introduced to shamanic knowledge of Core Shamanism according to Michael Harner by Beate Ehlen, Horizont-Zentrum in the town of Cologne.[...]


This site is maintained by a person going by the name of Eugenie Faust and mentions a summer camp with Larson Medicinehorse as early as 1989

http://eugenefaust.twoday.net/stories/x-berufliche-wege-und-stationen-93-95/comment

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Due to my ambitions, I chose something which had the character of a training – Self Effectiveness Traning (SET) at Calumed e.V., as their training blocks stretched over three years back then and had the option of an advanced training to become a breath therapist. I had alredy been in contact with Calumed e.V. from the beginning of my esoteric phase of seven years, in particular since a Sweatlodge Summer Camp in 1989 with Larson T. Medicinehorse and Dan Old Elk, both Crow Sundance Chiefs from Montana.
This is also where I met T. […] During this camp, T. was authorised as a sweatlodge leader by Larson T. Medicinehorse. He wasn't just proud of it, but became downright arrogant […]
So one day Dan Old Elk announced he now was to give T. an Indian name and one could rather see T becoming bigger and broader until Dan explained that the name „Walking Eagle“ meant „full of shit, cannot fly!“ […]



Martina Nawroth, another seller of sweats:

http://www.lebensgut.de/ueberuns/menschen.htm

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Martina Nawroth, born 56, […] authorised sweatlodge leader through the spiritual leader of the Crow Indians from Montana/USA, Larson Medicine Horse.

Nawroth further claims trainings as a dance therapist, in kinesiology, in family constellations according to Bert Hellinger, as a conflict moderator, various courses in massage, energy, and psychic healing.



Michael Krah, born 1967, another seller of ceremony, who runs his own Nuage company with two partners:

http://maennerforum-bonn.de/pages/maennerforum-bonn/michael-krah.php

Krah claims among other alleged qualifications:

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Seminars and Vision-Quest with Archie Fire Lame Deer
Sundance with Larson Medicine Horse, Montana/USA

Krah offers sweats at € 65 which take place at Forsthaus Scheuren, the premises run by Roland Scholz (cf. above).



Manfred Koschnick, offering a variety of CAM and Nuage methods, and is a seller of sweatlodges:

http://www.manfred-koschnick.de/lebenslauf.htm

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I learned to lead sweatlodges from Sundance Chief Larson T. Medicinehorse from the Crow tribe.

What is interesting is that Koschnick also claims:
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… a mystic got me out of this, placed me on a green meadow and showed me the world with the eyes of unconditional love. His name was Dieter Jarzombek. I learned from him for a few years and found a combination of psychology and experiencing religious belief which I had been looking for. At the same time this spirituality opened a path to esoterics and other religions and alternative healing methods for me.

Dieter Jarzombek is the founder of „Calumed e.V.“ already mentioned by Eugenie Faust (cf above).

Apart from sweatlodges, Koschnick also offers affirmative techniques, shamanic journeys, Tantric practice with men and women, Focussing, Reiki, NLP, Mindclearing, Bodyreading, Rebirthing according to Orr, Bioenergetics, Hakomi, Family Constellations according to Hellinger.


Petra Wiese, born 1964, is another seller of sweats and has learned with several well-known frauds. In 2008, she became an alternative practician.

http://petrawiese-heilpraxis.de/index.php?id=03&level=0

From her C.V.:

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In 1994, my path of spiritual healing work with various teachers began:
a seven-year training with medicine woman Arwyn Dreamwalker
intense studies on healing/healing processes in the tradition of the Wise Woman and plant medicine with Susun Weed
shamanic teachings from Manitonquat and S. Alexander Alich
[…]
2009-2012 apprenticeship in the Medicine Circle with Dieter Jarzombek.

http://petrawiese-heilpraxis.de/index.php?id=02&level=02

Her sweats have a price tag of € 30 to € 50 which is just for expenses. Participation in the ceremony has to be paid additionally on the basis of donations.


Donald Guss, seller of sweats:

http://www.praxisguss.de/Seminare_Fortbildungen_1.Halbjahr_2012.pdf

Guss sells sweats which take place on the premises of „Calumed e.V.“. He claims his sweats are done according to „Crow and Sioux tradition“.
The flyer also advertises evenings of „family constellation and shamanic healing“.
The sweats were taking place on Feb 4, 2012 and Apr 21, 2012.

As the Calumed premises are right in the middle of nowhere, Guss advises that accom in a ritual room with sleeping bag will cost € 10, in a B&B € 25. Additional costs for food, i.e. lunch, dinner, breakfast € 20. The sweat has no exact price but Guss expects a donation („give-away“).



Although most of LMH's clients seem to have been Europeans, there is at least one Euro-American claiming participance in ceremonies done by LMH: an author going by the nom-de-plume Caleb Fox. This seems to have been an aka of author Win (Winifred) Blevins, as Blevins meanwhile has republished the two books authored by „Caleb Fox“ claiming authorship for himself and his wife Meredith. There is an acknowledgement in his book „Zadayi Red“ (in both the version published by Caleb Fox and the one by Win and Meredith Blevins) which reads:

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„Thank you, wife, for being my partner, my muse, and my gang foreman.

Thanks to my mentors, John G. Neihardt, Clyde Hall, Dale Wasserman, and Larsen Medicine House.“[sic]

In an interview, still posing as Caleb Fox, Blevins said in September 2009:

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I am quiet about my pipe. Though I live in a tiny town of only three hundred people, half Navajo and half Anglo, only four or five know I carry it.
To get the pipe, I got a bowl carved in the Four Winds pattern from Pipestone, MN. I carved the stem myself, and did not decorate it at all, in honor of my model Crazy Horse, who carried a short, plain pipe. Clyde Hall, who knows the ceremony, consented to dedicate my pipe formally in a sweat lodge ceremony.
There's a story here that speaks eloquently about contemporary Indian culture. Clyde is Shoshone-Metis by tribe. He was inspired by Native American activism in the early '70s to go live with the Rosebud Sioux, and lived with the Crow Dog family, the celebrated medicine men, and later was adopted into the Eagle Bear family. And although he is well versed in his own tribe's ceremonies, songs, and rituals, some of his ceremonies are influenced by the Sioux. So I am part Cherokee taught in Sioux-influenced ways by a Shoshone. That's the way Indian country is now. Though the tribes were always very distinct and often enemies, we are developing a pan-Indian culture.
[…]
Clyde is my chief mentor in the red road and all things Indian. He is not only a practitioner of the traditions but a scholar of them, a profound student of the customs of his own tribe and others. He dedicated my pipe, he taught me to pour the sweat lodge, he sent me on my vision quests, he introduced me to the Naraya dances[1] (which he'd rather I didn't talk about). He is my spiritual fountainhead.
[…]
Larsen Medicine Horse is the chief of all sun dance chiefs of the Crow nation. I attended his sun dances, and Larsen arranged the vision quest where we dancers were privileged actually to dance on the Medicine Wheel in the Big Horn Mountains in Wyoming, a sacred site constructed between 300-800 years ago in Wyoming by Plains Indians, where I shed blood with the other seekers by a piercing of the flesh in a traditional, sacred way. He also taught me to conduct a particular Crow sweat lodge ceremony, and for a couple of years I was the leader for the Montana State Indian Club. I owe Clyde and Larsen forever.
From: http://www.strangehorizons.com/2009/20090928/szpatura-a.shtml




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Re: Larson Medicinehorse
« Reply #1 on: September 15, 2013, 05:09:11 pm »

contd:

LMH has also been cooperating with an association by the name of „Calumed e.V.“ The „.e.V.“ part means it is a registered association in a position to accept donations, it is (or should be) non-profit and is tax-exempted.

Calumed e.V. seems to have some history of cooperation with LMH. In a 2005 publication written by founder Dieter Jarzombek, former president Peter Weigle, and Barbara Strohschein (a member of the association), the history of this association gets described.
The book is titled „The white caravan: Vision and reality of a life school“, 2005 Book on Demand, Norderstedt


p. 86
1990     July – August

First Summer Camp „Spirit of Earth – The Changing Power of Visions“ with the Indian shamans Dan Old Elk, with medicineman and sheriff Larson Medicinehorse and his wife Patty in the town of Bebra/Northern Hessia

1991     June
First meeting with sex-performance artist and later professor of „Human Sexuality“ Annie Sprinkle from New York/USA, during her engagement with Hamburg Schmidt-Theater (later cooperation agreed – series of seminars titled „Wings of Joy“)

July
Second Summer Camp „Spirit of Earth – The Changing Power of Visions“ in Bebra with Dan Old Elk and Larson and Patty Medicinehorse of the tribe of Crow Indians, Montana/USA

August
Indian-Dance-Art with Max and Patty Spotted Bear and Ben & Joline Cloud. Both couples are sundancers of the Crow Indians and, organised by Calumed, they perform at Beach Party in the town of Kassel, and invited by Dieter Jarzombek, then Director of the Clinic for Psychiatry, Neurology, and Rehabilitation in the town of Schleswig, [p. 87] they perform their traditional ritual powwow dances at the clinic's premises for patients and employees.

1992     August
Third Summer Camp „Spirit of Earth – The Changing Power of Visions“ with Larson & Patty Medicinehorse in the vicinity of Hamburg. During the camp, the project group „White Eagle Clan“ is founded with the aim to pass on the world view of the Crow Indians as well as their rituals, ceremonies and healing ways taught in the meetings with Larson Medicinehorse, within the framework of intercultural cooperation to other interested persons. Apart from this, the clan will support Larson's work at the Crow-Reservation in Montana and develop a concept of an advancement of German youths on the basis of Indian initiatic traditions.

p. 88
1993    June – July
Employees of the Calumed – White Eagle Clan again travel to Montana to complete the concept of the youth project. During their stay, Dieter Jarzombek is appointed a honorary tribal elder.

p. 90
1994   July
Initiation Youth Camp „At the Threshold of Growing Up“ with Larson & Patty Medicinehorse and a team of tutors with sweatlodges and initiation rituals. During the camp, the Calumed Shaman School gets founded. In this time, some participants also start their preparation for a large Vision Quest taking place in 1995. The participants of the Shaman School start their first year of apprenticeship during this camp.

Apart from doing seminars and camps for the association, LMH also appeared as a lecturer at so-called congresses organised by Calumed:

http://calumed.de/kongress/kongress-2006.php

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Congress October 21, 2006 „Spiritualty and Healing“ in Berlin
Lecturers:
„Healing Myths“ - Dr med. Fabio Ramirez, Bogota/Colombia
„Indian Spirituality and Rites of Healing“ - Larson Medicinehorse, Montana/USA

Ramirez has been mentioned here before – see http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1610.0   - and gets mentioned as a lecturer at another 2006 conference in Basel/Switzerland where he spoke on „Shamanic rituals of the aboriginal peoples of the Amazon“.

The site also publishes a report on the congress written by one Leila Dregger, a member of Tamera.
For the following 2007 congress, Calumed invited Tamera's Sabine Lichtenfels, and again a congress report written by Leila Dregger is published at the Calumed site.
Both Tamera and its 'founding' organisation ZEGG were mentioned here before in the thread on Francis Talbot aka Manitonquat: http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=888.0   - see replies 2, 3, 4, and 5 for more info on these cult-like organisations.
The 2007 congress was titled „Spirituality and Sexuality“, other lecturers were Margot Anand, San Francisco, a Sannyasin (lecture on „The path of Skydancing Tantra“), and Annie Sprinkle, San Francisco (lecture on: „Loving as an art“). Lectures given by Lichtenfels/Tamera and Dieter Jarzombek, Calumed-founder, were titled „There will be no peace on earth while there is war in love“ resp. „Sufi-Tantra, or: Sex with God“. Another lecture was „Eros as a life force“.
Some info on Sprinkle: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_Sprinkle and Margot Anand: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margot_Anand

The report on the 2006 congress says:
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Connection to Mother Earth was also an issue in the healing ceremonies of the Crow which Larson T. Medicinehorse introduced. The Sundance-Chief with the medicine name „Thunder who carries the pipe“, sheriff of his hometown since 20 years, explained his tradition with much humour and affection. He also spoke about his own healing from Parkinson's disease, „We don't tell people not to go to see a doctor. But they go to a medicine man before that, who will do cleansing rituals with them and this takes an effect on their spirit. When they go and see a doctor then, they already carry the belief of being healed. And healing starts in the spirit, as everything does.“
A small ceremony which the old chief did with a young man from Germany was very moving. The young man had been living with his family for three months on initiative of Calumed, and he was given a new name. Nathaniel R... (26) may from now on call himself „Thunder who lives across the water“. „He's become like a son for me“, said Larson Medicinehorse. [...]


There is also a eulogy held by LMH published in another Calumed publication, „Morgenlandwelten“ - „Oriental Worlds. Festschrift on the occasion of the 60th birthday of Dieter Jarzombek and the 20th anniversary of Calumed e.V.“, p. 285ff. Apparently, this was a speech held by LMH on the occasion of Jarzombek's 60th birthday in May 2007.
Here are some excerpts:
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p. 285
„I am „Thunder Carrying a Pipe“, also known as „First Man“ and Larson Medicinehorse. Greetings to my friend „Chief Thunder Living Across the Big Water“, Dieter Jarzombek. […]
I met Dieter long time ago in the Pyrenees in Spain. We were at an Indian Camp which was sponsored by Dieter's Indian brother Karl Scherer.
I am connected with Dieter – through his work with people and my role as a Sundance priest. We are working together to help young people. Dieter schools and prepares the young persons in a soft way for the time when they will be living as Indians on the Apsalooke Reservation.“

There is a remarkable similarity between the name LMH gives Jarzombek – Chief Thunder Living Across the Big Water – and the name he gave to Nathaniel R.: „Thunder who lives across the water“ (cf. above).
The camp in the Pyrenees mentioned by LMH is not documented by Calumed, so it might predate the cooperation between LMH and this association with their first summer camp being organised in 1990. However, this eulogy from a 2007 publication also indicates an ongoing cooperation between LHM and Calumed. 

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p. 286
„We, the Apsalooke, have a Sundance every year. We still use the buffalo head [sic] which was paid for by Dieter and the Genese group [Genese is one of the former names of Calumed]. Every year, Dieter sends me a group. The group usually is in the Sundance lead by my friend Tom Erbskorn, a Pipe Carrier. All in Apsalooke  Country know this group as „the Germans“. The Germans do a lot of work for us when building the Sundance Hut. The money the give for the Sundance is very welcome. Doing a Sundance costs between 6,000 and 7,000 US-Dollars. AHO for all your help and the help from your group! Without the Germans, my wife and I would have a hard time with our Sundances.
You, my friend, Thunder Living Across the Big Water, also known as Dieter Jarzombek: May you enjoy your golden years as an elder, and may our friendship continue for a long time. [...]“

Since Erbskorn holds a regular job in a company run by his wife, acts as a supervisor, and gives lectures to various audiences, he is probably not a Pipe Carrier (thanks to earthw for her explanation), so LMH seems to use the term in its Nuage definition.


Wolfsklan:

This clan was founded by Matthias Walter aka Lightfire already mentioned above http://www.trommelbauen.de/contents/c_aktuelles.php  as a seller of sweats on these premises.

His own website – http://www.lightfire.de  - is pretty much under construction.
There are three flyers to be loaded down:

Flyer 1 Vision Quest

Dates: Sept 3-8, 2013, June 1-8, 2014

Price Tag: Euro 888 PLUS VAT, plus accom & food (for accom, please bring you own tent)

VAT included, the vision quest will cost clients Euro 1,056 = USD 1,388 (USD 1,167 VAT excluded).


Flyer 2: Shamanic Training, Training Cycle 2013

Price Tag: for 19 days of training, Euro 1,999 PLUS VAT, plus accom & food
VAT included, the price is Euro 2,379 = USD 3,172 (VAT excluded USD 2,628).

For 2013 cycle:
I July 5-7, 2013 Shamanic Healing
I Aug 2-4, 2013 Path to Power
II Sep 2-9, 2013 Vision Quest
IV Nov 22-23, 2013 Initiation to Merkaba
V May 2-4, 2014 Firewalking & Initiation


Flyer Rainbowdance
This is in fact a flyer announcing the Wolfsclan Summercamp 2013, dd Aug 16-22 (although the flyer says Aug 2010)

The price tag for a complete week is Euro 390 (USD 513), for one day Euro 60 (USD 79), this time including food and accom.


Officially going with the label of a clan, their invitations and flyers also use the term tribe.
Wolfsklan was founded by Matthias Walter aka Lightfire:

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Wolfsklan is a spiritual community of Lightworkers and Earth Keepers not affiliated to any tradition, religion or system of beliefs. […]

Wolfsklan came into being by a prevision of Larson Medicinehorse – the spiritual leader of the Crow Indians to two of his sundancers. It is a community of like-minded persons which is based on an ancient Indian prophecy of the Hopi Indians which says that only tribes will survive.

Wolfsklan works with ancient, traditional rituals of the white Buffalo Calf Woman whose healing and visionary spirit also carries and supports Wolfsklan.
Among these rituals are the Sacred Pipe, the sweatlodge, the Vision Quest, Talking Circles, the Medicine Wheel, the Give-Away Ceremony, Spirit Walks and many more ceremonies […]

In Wolfsklan, we are practicing living together in a tribe, that means everything which happens will be supported by all persons present for the wellbeing of all.

From: http://www.alivio-hilft.de/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/WOLFSKLAN-Sommercamp-2010-Sirianus.pdf 

Wolfsklan thus mixes several indigenous traditions and (alleged) prophecies. Although they claim to be non-denominational, Wolfsklan clearly practice indigenous ceremonies taken from Plains nations, and Lakota in particular. Some of the alleged ceremonies they name and present as indigenous are Nuage, or at least very popular in the Nuage scene, like the Medicine Wheel ceremony, or Talking Circles.

Wolfsklan also organises annual summer camps, during which they offer:

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Rituals:
Sharing of the sacred pipe, sweatlodges, Talking Circles, Give-Away-Ceremony, Spirit Walks, Story Telling, Meditations, Heart Openings, Prayers, Power and Trance Dances, Shamanic Journeys, Buffalo Woman Ceremonies […] and many more ceremonies for power, healing, and vision which often occur spontaneously from the energy of the circle and the people.

From:  http://www.alivio-hilft.de/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/WOLFSKLAN-Sommercamp-2010-Sirianus.pdf   

Apart from „initiating“ more persons himself, Walter also refers clientele to Medicinehorse's Sundance in Montana, as becomes evident from this lady's website:

http://die-blume-des-lebens.ch/jm/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7&Itemid=16

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Having been initiated by Matthias Walter, a shaman who since long has been following the messages of White Buffalo Woman, I did a Vision Quest and have done the Sundance (Montana 2011), and I have also been authorised by Chief Larson Medicinehorse (Lakota/Crow) to pour water.


There is some evidence of sundances held in 2008 and 2010. Sabrina Dengel, owner of TrAfo Seminar House in Austria, former organiser of the summer camp with Ben Cloud, participated in the sundances of 2008 and 2010. Dengel publishes photos taken during her 2008 stay in Montana, including photos of piercing wounds which are either hers or those of the three European women accompanying her:

https://plus.google.com/photos/110398313898679244896/albums/5285636275597909905?banner=pwa&gpsrc=pwrd1#photos/110398313898679244896/albums/5285636275597909905

photos 112-114 caption: Woman's piercing from sundance with wounds from blood sacrifice


Women piercing is, however, not in accordance with Crow traditions. According to a newspaper article photocopied in the Calumed book „Oriental Worlds“, LMH was perfectly aware of this in 2006:

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The pieces of flesh torn out were a sacrifice for creator who thus was given thanks for life amd asked for his grace for one's relatives. Women were dancing in this ceremony, but do not pierce. They experienced enough pain in giving birth, the Chief explained.

from: P. Weigle, B. Strohschein: Morgenlandwelten. Festschrift zum 60. Geburtstag von Dieter Jarzombek und zum 20jährigen Bestehen von Calumed e.V. p. 213, originally published in „Boehme-Zeitung“, Oct 27, 2006




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Re: Larson Medicinehorse
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2013, 12:58:40 am »
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Thomas Larson Medicinehorse, Sr. (Crow/Sioux/Mexican), an elder of the Big Lodge Clan of the Apsaalooke Nation

Pg 10 of this newsletter, includes a photo: http://aaip.org/wp-content/uploads/Summer_Newsletter_08.pdf

Here http://www.ywhc.org/index.php?p=83 he talks of using ceremonies from other tribes, including use of peyote. The bio on this page must be from 2006 or prior, as he mentions that his then current sheriff term would end Dec 2006.

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Re: Larson Medicinehorse
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2015, 02:34:15 pm »
Dear Sir or Madam,

while surfing  on the net last week I had the bad surprise to find my name quoted as follows  :
"Larson Medicinehorse - New Age Frauds & Plastic Shamans
Larson Medicinehorse was Sundance Chief and Keeper of the Crow/Shoshoni Sundance Society (an „office" he retired from due to health reasons) ... A site püblished in French and German by one Awa Belrose: http://www.seelenwerkstatt.org/sur_moi.htm. Quote."

What shall a person finding this quote  think when they read such a thing for the first time? Did you try to contact me to get nearer information about your allegation that my "spiritual" work is a fraud? That if I well understand (english is not my mother tong) my sweat lodges authorisation would be fake? On which FACTS do you base this DEFAMATION?

To your defamation I want to answer this :
Roland Scholz was my teacher for sweat lodges. He who was a pupil and a dear friend of Larson Medicin Horse gave me the authorisation to lead Sweat Lodges as he learned it himself from Larson that is to say in the same tradition. Roland spent a long time with Larson Medicine Horse and did the Sun Dance in America with him. I had personally the chance to meet Larson Medicin Horse and to  serve as firewoman in lots of the Sweat Lodge he made during the Summer Camp 2008 in Scheuren (Germany). We even smoked the Sacred Pipe all together during this Summer Camp and he "blessed" my older daughter! Larson came in 2013 again to Scheuren but I couldn't attend because I just born my last daughter.

I am not sure what to think about a procedure / a site / an organisation in which the names and the work of honest (I hope for most of us) people are fouled, discrediting them without giving them a possibility to answer. I find it good to flush out the "bad ones" in the "spiritual" scene but I find it even better to try to speak directly with people instead of lynching them on the net. If they choose not to answer, it is then another matter.

This is the reason why I am asking you to cancel my name from your page / to cancel the page on which my name appears and to address me excuses on your site. This matter is a real shame for all people who try to make our world a bit better.

Being sure you wil understand me, I thank you in advance.

Awa Belrose  www.seelenwerkstatt.org

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Re: Larson Medicinehorse
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2015, 06:35:47 pm »
First off, this is under the topic of "Researc Needed." No one has "defamed" anyone.  Second, Native people who are really spiritual leaders, don't go to other countries to spread the religion around. They stay in their OWN communities and work with their OWN people, not well to do Europeans. And they NEVER EVER charge people. They don't mix and match from other tribes.

Oh, and if Mr. Scholz is a European, not enrolled in any north American tribe, he has NO busimess, NONE ZIP NADA, doing faux Native ceremonies. German and other Euro people DO have their own, pre-Christian religions. Stop stealing ours.

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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2015, 01:38:26 am »
First of all, we do thank you, Ms Belrose, for your confirmation that you indeed learned from Roland Scholz who was taught by Larson Medicinehorse, both making their clients pay to pray.

However, Ms Belrose, you happen to be quite in error about our aims and methods:
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I find it good to flush out the "bad ones" in the "spiritual" scene but I find it even better to try to speak directly with people instead of lynching them on the net. If they choose not to answer, it is then another matter.
We do not mean to weed out a few bad vendors – the entire „spiritual scene“ selling and buying ceremony and expropriating ceremonies which do not belong to them is what we crticise. Or as Adorno put it: „Es gibt kein richtiges Leben im falschen“ (A wronged life can't be lived rightly).

We certainly do not 'lynch' people, either on the internet or in real life. We do provide information on vendors of ceremony to educate the public that the stock in offer advertised by such persons is wrong and fraudulent. Indigenous religions are not to be sold, they do not mission, indigenous medicine persons are expected to work within their communities and see to the wellbeing of persons belonging to those instead of touring Europe to sell seminars and ceremony.

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to cancel the page on which my name appears and to address me excuses on your site

Why should we delete a research on a vendor of ceremony?
Your „excuses“, however, will indeed by addressed in more posts, I am sure.

In case you meant to phrase expectations of receiving an apology from us, this won't materialise, no matter how many excuses you post. You are still running a Nuage business at www dot seelenwerkstatt dot org , where you sell indigenous ceremonies like Vision Quest, sweatlodges, but also things you name „medicine walk“ and „walk a way“. But we will discuss this in a separate thread.

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Re: Larson Medicinehorse
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2015, 12:53:04 pm »
Dear all,
I thank you for your quick answer. I would like to make a last statement before I close this discussion for myself. We will not be able to convince each other.

First of all the topic name is Larson Medecinhorse and not "Research" as you write in your answer. You do not seem to have researched a lot when I did not receive an email or anything from you to have the chance to explain myself although my email address is on the net.

I do understand your point of view that you feel stolen from your "religion" by "plastic shamans" as you describe Larson. And I feel sorry for how you feel about it but I keep having another opinion as yours.

My teacher in matters  Vision Quests, Medicin Walks and Walk Aways is Haiko Nitschke (who learned from Steven Foster and Meredith Little in America. Steven and Meredith were also teached from a native). Haiko always insists on the fact that the human psychee throughout cultures and times is one. It means that the outlines of lots rituals, ceremonies or even fairy tales all around the world are able to help a lot of human beings whatever to which culture they belong.

Our world is going through a big transition and spirituality is having a growing importance to SAVE OUR WORLD but a lot a religions, rituals and customs went lost in the madness of industrialisation, globalisation, capitalism, etc... NOW, a lot of ancient wisdom and ceremonies are able to HELP a lot a lost Europeens / White americans  who have nothing else left as their technology, sky scrapers, concrete, mobile phones and televisions... 
You  write "no right life in wrong" and I agree. But shall this mean that when in an hospital 100 people are ill then should be ignored and dye? I do not understand your will to clutch to your ceremonies when they can liberate so many people. A good medication should be given to the biggest number.

To reassure you, I can assure you that I endeavour to serve your rituals with the biggest respect, even if I a am not a native. But I do not  have the ambition or even the objectiv to lead Sweat Lodges, Walk a Way, Medicin Walks or Vision Quest as you natives do even if I learned in the Crows and Lakotas tradition. This for a simple reason as Roland always said to me "WE ARE NO NATIVES". I am writing this with the biggest respect to your people and traditions. It is for lots of us europeans a direction, a model. Larson always said "you do it with your heart". Is this not the most important?

Larson said to us in 2008 that I knwew well that the native rituals should not be given away to the "white men". He found also that a lot a europeans were able to defend his native traditions with a lot more commitment as a lot of "red men". He meant the time was come to open and to share. That was his motivation.

I would like now to answer about money. you write that traditionally you would not take money to pray.  In Germany if you go to Church, the state will  take an amount away from your salary and pay it back to the Church, to pay for the priests and the maintain the churches , etc.
In Europe, when you go to a doctor or to a psychologist you will pay a minimum of 80 Euro for it. I find it good. An "energy" exchange HAVE to take place to bring a balance between the giver and the receiver. People are actors and not victims of their fate. But if somebody comes to me and cannot pay I will work with them anyway because money is not my motivation. Let me tell you that it is true, some "vendors" as you call them exagerate the price of Sweatlodges taking between 95 and 105 Euro for a Sweatlodge and are not ready to make it for free. I find it very sad. There is a difference for me between money making and energy balance.

I know we won't be able to come to one opinion. You seem to be very strict about your customs and willing to keep them for yourselves alone. You write"German and other Euro people DO have their own, pre-Christian religions. Stop stealing ours"
I find it sad. I am sure I could have learned a lot more from you.

Best regards.

Awa Belrose.


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Re: Larson Medicinehorse
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2015, 05:47:01 pm »
There is a thread on Steven Foster and Meredith Little here:

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2685.msg23033#msg23033


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« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2015, 06:19:29 pm »
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I am sure I could have learned a lot more from you.

Yes, Awa, but you would have had to put aside your arrogance and listen to ACTUAL Native Americans, not other arrogant white people who make lots of money selling fantasies.  It is sad because it's you who loses the most.

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Re: Larson Medicinehorse
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2015, 03:22:47 pm »
i read this and wonder why when WHITE people steal another peoples culture and way of life they feel like they know better than us,
I understand it a christian thing where they think everyone can come and take another culture or force their culture on you.
There are ways and processes that take a life time to learn, if you are not connected to the Native people you are stealing from
why steal their ways. What are you doing for the Crow People or the Lakota people OH WAIT you are making money for yourself.
When you take a culture and mix it up with another culture only corruption happens such as paying to pray.
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