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Offline DoctorLao

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Doctorlao
« on: March 07, 2014, 09:17:39 pm »

Salutation and greetings from a non-native of Euro descent. May I first thank founders and members of this forum for a vital dialogue, urgently called for - a rarity it seems to me. Just to read here offers much insight. I further appreciate the opportunity to participate, inquire - endless signposts of possibility.

From my pov - new age charlatanry poses many issues. Often dire, and imho, poorly engaged by society as a whole, so far. Which is more disturbing, fraud itself? Or the larger context that facilitates it - society seemingly preoccupied by drama and personal issues to the exclusion of any greater,  more purposeful awareness (then having to puzzle ‘what’s it all about Alfie?’). On many concerns I realize, I hope to help serve common cause as shared by others’ perspectives in this forum.

I have some technical background that informs my sense of issues that abound in new age fraud. I’m a phd in botany and mycology (evolution, genetics etc), with background also in comparative religion, anthropology & other fields. Over years of studying ethnomycology and related subjects, I’ve repeatedly encountered a popular proprietary interest in psychoactive plants and fungi – the psychedelic movement -- as a main source of new age fraud, with cultic aspects.

I find psychedelia problematic in terms especially of values, basic human principles.  It seems a defiantly self-entitled subculture, freely ‘adoptive’ of native cultures, for its own non-native purposes. Its friendly to and ‘creative’ of a wide range of issues, involving psychoactive plants and fungi - especially as figure in native traditions. (I notice a recent new member intro, browndiasporia, citing Richard Alpert, and current ayahuasca tourism – for me, reflecting this role of psychedelia as a major source of new age fraud issues)

That ethno-xploitation typifies psychedelia’s popular pattern is unsettling. But its persistence in educational settings - (even resurgence ?) - institutions where critical inquiry & ethically aware perspectives supposedly hold sway, as well they should – even more troubling.

On the other hand such settings may be more amenable to effective engagement, inquiry by public voices paying attention and rightfully concerned. Persons like myself, and perhaps others here, may have key roles, depending on individual perspectives and interests. From my background, I feel well able to address issues of bad scholarship, pseudoscience, institutional and educational missions, disciplinary communities etc.

I’m especially alerted to ‘academic opportunism’ (Fikes, on Castaneda), ‘scholarly complicity’ (Hoopes, on “Mayan” 2012ism, McKenna et al) as dynamic aspects. Institutions have express mission statements, official interests to which they’re beholden in broad societal context (public perceptions etc). Such factors may offer possibilities of constructive engagement not yet fully realized.

One thing I can’t do - is speak from personal native heritage. As you know, that’s a unique qualification and vital function, to address cultural exploitation, from personal experience and authenticity. But the ease and frequency with which media and news sources, educators and specialists who ought to know better (with no duty not to) are readily manipulated into aiding and abetting charlatanry, knowingly or wily nily - seems staggering. Likewise the obscurity and diversity of issues - the scope and scale of such exploitation, 'little ways' it operates (ploys, stealth maneuvers etc). These are among deeper murkier aspects to which my attention is drawn, ever more sharply. Especially insofar as the ‘nature of the beast’ seems to escape wider notice.

When occasion allows (rarely) I like to commend anyone in psychedelia raising issues of conscience (ex. http://gbshamanismphd.wordpress.com/2013/07/20/breaking-convention-2013-a-review/). More often, where I feel qualified and situation warrants, I play role of fighter, self directed - ‘pen mightier than sword’ type. I like using tactical inquiry, strategic appeals to reasoned principle.  Here’s an example, of initiative I’ll sometimes take, single-handed (one that brought me a laurel): http://www.thefire.org/western-michigan-university-to-revise-sexism-policy/

(about my book as cited, “The Sacred Mushrooms of Mexico” – I’ll email any/all chaps to anyone here, with no obligation, on welcome invite to any critique on my discussion, as a non-native, of native cultural info/content. Also, in case it furthers interest or impression, here’s an interview where I discuss points informally: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4sJB1umcL4)

‘Borrowing’ from native heritage(s) seems to have achieved the status of standard practice in the subculture, officially accepted even prescribed. I take this to mean there’s simply not adequate awareness in general, nor sufficient boundaries in whatever form - policy, practice, oversight (public sensibility) - to deter exploitation.
I’ve learned of some current circumstances on campus in Pennsylvania that, prompting me to introduce myself here at this time.  It involves Castaneda’s Don Juan being reintroduced, on touted literary value, as required reading to ‘inspire’ a new generation. Its a new class crafted by a particular grad student in the UPenn English program - who’s been busy in psychedelic PR operations pursuing the subculture’s ambitions of institutional power and position (as I conclude). She was lead organizer of the ‘Psychedemia’ conference there in 2012 (“integrating psychedelics into academia” – its slogan). She also happens to be an editor of a major propaganda website of psychedelia founded by D. Pinchbeck (psychedelia main channeler of Quetzalcoatl).

I learned of this at a ‘psychonaut’ chat website. It was a thread where this course, signaling Don Juan’s triumphant campus resurrection - is heralded as ‘hope for humanity.’  Along with Castaneda, other required texts for the edification of students, to broaden their horizons, include – Jane “Seth Speaking” Roberts; and psychedelia’s most venerated charlatan, Terence McKenna.

My mind clouds as I contemplate this disturbing infiltration by the psychedelic agenda, per ambitions McKenna articulated clearly far back as 1992, flying below institutional radar (as I gather). I’m just going to post the link, where I learned about this, in case anyone might get their own impressions, perhaps counsel or advise. I have more than a half dozen posts there - using doctorlao name (from a novel by Finney, CIRCUS OF DR LAO), trying to sort out questions and observations overwhelming my staggered sensibility: http://www.reddit.com/r/Psychonaut/comments/1x7hj1/a_friend_of_mine_is_teaching_a_course_on_higher/

With equitable wishes, thanks to one and all.  I greatly appreciate this forum. As I will anything that may come of my involvement, in accord with any interests of others that harmonize or dovetail.  (PS - I posted a brief prior reply in another thread, not yet having presented myself here formally. I hope no offense was taken; of course none was intended – begging kind pardon.)
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Re: Doctorlao
« Reply #1 on: March 08, 2014, 04:23:01 pm »
It's bothered me for some time to see exploiters from Castaneda until today make their way into academia and spend their careers defending the harm they do. There's likely some tech and pharmacology knowledge you have that we don't that would be pretty useful for some of these threads.

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Re: Doctorlao
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2014, 05:53:01 pm »
Hi DoctorLao!
I am an amateur mycologists. Just enough info to keep me from eating the wrong stuff, and enough info to use some mushrooms for dyes. There is a person in one of the htreads that is feeding his followers Amanita Muscaria. I know that this can cause serious liver damage to people who use it over a period of time. But maybe you will have more to say in that?

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?action=search2

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« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2014, 06:03:58 pm »
Hi DoctorLao!
I am an amateur mycologists. Just enough info to keep me from eating the wrong stuff, and enough info to use some mushrooms for dyes. There is a person in one of the htreads that is feeding his followers Amanita Muscaria. I know that this can cause serious liver damage to people who use it over a period of time. But maybe you will have more to say in that?

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?action=search2

Debbie, for some reason your link does not work.  Is this the correct link?

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3420.msg30891#msg30891

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« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2014, 06:42:11 pm »
Debbie, hello - a pleasure hearing of your interest. I’d be delighted to offer anything I can. Cited info sources, big picture perspectives, whatever discussions.

Issues galore crowd around fly agaric like a bodyguard of riddles, misconceptions and bs. I end up feeling like ‘the man who knew too much’ – my reward for looking into things, I guess.  Fly agaric is burdened with enough issues (of subcultural origin) to choke a horse - few widely recognized or realized.  Many of them fly below radar of responsible awareness, that might actually clear its throat and address them otherwise. Fly agaric is a doozey (imho) for new agey psychedelial fraud. It has an especially troubling profile in the ‘mushroom hippie’ layer of subculture, with its own ‘special’ issues, in a deep dense stratigraphy. One nested one within another within another.  Some pretty dark, unexpectedly nasty. 

For psychedelic ‘myco mania’ context, ever seen a ‘documentary’ (PR informercial) feature film KNOW YOUR MUSHROOMS?

I wonder if we might consider a fly agaric thread? There’s so much I could tell, unique issues serious as they are obscure and discrepant.  May I extend thanks on that note - for educating me about one I’d never heard of before. This Erick Gonzalez AKA Omeakaehekatl - I need to know of such things.

Special thanks to Autumn for re-linking that thread. Learning is among reasons I’m here. Hasn’t take long to be rewarded, much obliged. Please feel welcome to direct my attention to any questions, cite any sources for my reference, to any info you bring up (effects on liver, etc).

For fly agaric 'pattern bs' the single best recent article I’ve seen is “Further Reflections on Amanita muscaria as an edible species” by Debbie Viess, in MUSHROOM THE JOURNAL 29 (issue 110). You prolly know MTJ, a unique pub with unusual breadth and depth, spanning expert professional and amateur enthusiast interests, in all things fungal.

Viess zeroes in on an Economic Botany article - a ‘rad myco’ PR piece (as struck me) whose authors whine (my word for it) about field guides - for listing fly agaric as poisonous. As if concerned over some injustice or disgrace, an insult to this poor maligned species (its feelings maybe hurt).
She sharply castigates authors Rubel & Arora who in effect file a sort of motion, for a research article (as accepted by Econ Bot - what are editors thinking?), as if ruling fly agaric edible, demanding diplomatic recognition as such in field guides, to stop defaming or smearing it as toxic.

If you haven’t read Viess and want, email me (bakers4@tampabay.rr.com) and I’ll attach/send it. I find it refreshing, maybe you would too.  Viess doesn’t mince words on polity, like someone might be catastrophically offended. No pandering just ‘right stuff,’ critically comprehensive fact-finding, and ethically credible. For me its a well-balanced rebuttal of pushy-preachy ‘rad myco’ celebratory PR. She defogs issues fly agaric promoters obfuscate so well, so carefully (almost like they mean to) - little things like injury and serious death.

Thank you for your info and the pleasure of your reply. As you like, please let me know how I can help serve or assist your interest - its mutual. 
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« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2014, 07:25:36 pm »
That reaction does not sound very academic to me. I miss any academic references about amanita muscaria in your post.
I’m a phd in botany and mycology (evolution, genetics etc)
Hm.  Well, if debbieredbear is satisfied, I am OK with it.

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« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2014, 11:27:07 pm »
Thanks, Autumn, I tried to link my search results. Shoulda known better. ;)

DoctorLao, I am ok with a fly agaric/amanita muscaria thread. If you do, put it in "Etcetera" please.

I will email you about that article.

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« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2014, 02:57:04 pm »
(<“It's bothered me for some time to see exploiters from Castaneda until today make their way into academia and spend their careers defending the harm they do.”>)

Educatedindian - thank you. You put a solid frame around the dark heart of my concern about neopsychedelial fraud - especially its strategic designs on academic institutions (like UPenn).

I’d be grateful for any elaboration, advice or discussion - would a thread to explore issues in this zone be appropriate?  I hope so, I'd be eager for such.  If I have it right, please correct me - you teach college (in Virginia?). In effect, that gives you yet another 'insider' perspective - on higher education, its purposes and interests.  Accordingly I'd be that much more interested and grateful for your reflection, notes or input, if you'd like to perhaps discuss further (crosses fingers).

One half-diea I ponder, per events currently underway at UPenn (time sensitivity?) - is to perhaps write the administration, about concerns an institution might share with folks here - little things like academic integrity, relational ethics, human worth, all the issues this Castaneda Et Alia subversion poses.  I struggle to sort out, if I were to write a letter, how to put best foot forward?  What would my most realistic objective be, with so many issues all inter-tangled? There seems so much 'devil in the detail' it gives pause.

A big way this Castaneda-psychedelic monkey biz operates (I seem to notice) - is by essentially creating a lively multitude of issues all at once; divisive and often obscure, resistant to clarification. In effect (as if by design) such a Modus Operandi buries us under myriad angles especially involving conflicts of interest, within and between ourselves and others. Seems kind of cunning and subtle (I’ve heard psych nurses use the term ‘splitter’ for this type of 'scatter/confuse' tactic of manipulation).

From De Mille I gather such relational-conflict ploy is a big part of how the Don Juan biz got started.  At UCLA, 1960’s, only one professor (Beals) knew anything about Yaqui tradition. And from Castaneda’s first ‘field reports’ he tried to alert colleagues – in vain. He was ignored, dismissed - even speciously criticized for not being more ‘supportive’ of a student obviously ‘struggling’ with ‘issues.’

It seems Castaneda's fraud could never have been staged in the first place, but for institutional and scholarly collaboration (as it proves to be, in the pudding) - wily nily, by acquiescence, mere oversight. And so it continues.

I have to think that for an educational institution, especially a public one (e.g. UPenn) - becoming party to such a fraud, even unawares, can’t possibly serve any genuine interest. Surely doing so, by error of commission or omission - would contradict its very purposes, violate express values of mission statements and institutional charters.  Fraud could only be anathema to critical and ethical standards alike.

Not to presume or prevail upon anyone, only to seek thought and advisement, for whatever it may be worth.  The latest from UPenn as I have it, is one among various developments reflecting a current upsurge in the 'psychedelial new age fraud' movement.  To me it seems there are so many considerations to disentangle, and the challenge of doing so is a big factor in the continuation of such fraud, unabated.

I'd be keenly interested a discussion thread with any others, yourself and whoever (if interested) - if appropriate, as indicated - to pound this pavement. I'd be eager to walk point around issues of academia under 'subliminal siege' by this stuff.  I'd welcome and deep appreciate any discussion with others here, toward helping me clear my mind, organize my half-thoughts, assess and evaluate the situation. 

Thank you again educatedindian, I hope you might be able to advise further (not to obligate only invite).
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« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2014, 04:47:31 pm »
For information purposes, anyone’s Need To Know (if they don’t already) – here’s another recent reflection (Sept 2013) of the current stage of ‘Don Juan Ops’ as target disciplinary studies and interests. From a UK-based ‘psychonaut news & info/discussion’ promo source - http://psypressuk.com/2013/09/10/rehabilitating-castaneda-an-interview-with-anthropologist-jack-hunter/

(to psypressuk's credit I’ve never seen them prejudicially censor reply posts. It bears mention because, as I've found, most ‘psychonautic news and talk’ sites actively ‘manage’ discussion for ‘the right sound’ by aggressive censorship - on lip service pretense of ‘open discussion’)

This article showcases another 'on board' academic, trying to redeem Castaneda’s ‘valuable contribution to anthropology’ (as audaciously staged).  In closing remarks ‘addressing’ issues of fraud, deceit and manipulation - oppositional defiance and denial seem to really glare:

“I agree Castaneda’s work may very well have misrepresented the Yaqui ...”

But - maybe not?  Who’s to say? If I correctly follow his line of – well, whatever that’s a line of. Either way, it seems a consideration so frivolous pales, compared to the enrichment of anthropology - for which we're indebted, owe Castaneda:

“... as Rob said earlier, its his influence on researchers who’ve gone on to conduct genuine ethnographic investigations that’s most important here.”

Considering such fruits the Don Juan tree has borne (‘genuine’), us ingrates ought to snap out of our daze and realize priorities, what counts - 'genuine' and all that. Its not just the vital importance of Castaneda’s contribution, the benefit to anthropology against which nothing else matters.  Its the intrinsic interest too that takes precedence, validating Castaneda’s worth as a gift to scholarship:

 “It’s also the writing style incorporating subjective experience into ethnographic description, that I find particularly interesting.”

And its not the man its his legacy we've benefited from. Its the enrichment of ethnography Castaneda has bequeathed, that we ought to celebrate and honor.  As kindly clarified:

“The title of the interview (‘Rehabilitating Castaneda’), might, therefore, be a little misleading” ... “I don’t necessarily condone the rehabilitation of Castaneda himself, but rather of a more experientially oriented form of ethnography" - Jack Hunter, anthropologist (?)
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« Reply #9 on: April 21, 2014, 03:17:37 pm »
Thanks for the tip about this article, DoctorLao.

As for the "experiential ethnography" that Castaneda supposedly inspired or whatever, I thought it was now widely accepted that Castaneda didn't experience *expletive*. There probably was no Don Juan, or if there was, he never said or did most of what Castaneda claims he did. There's supposed to be pretty strong evidence that Castaneda spent an enormous amount of time in the UC library and just straight-up lifted most of his "experiences" from the books he read there.

http://www.salon.com/2007/04/12/castaneda/
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« Reply #10 on: April 29, 2014, 10:53:22 pm »
Hi Odelle, nice hearing from you. Of course I quite agree with everything you say, certainly don’t disagree - almost to the point of doubting I’ve communicated my pov or concern very well! I may have to reply twice - a hypothetical 2nd time to address that. Seems to me, tentatively, there can be surprising limits of what's 'widely accepted' (as you right noted) in terms of its capability for practical purposes and common cause, when it comes up against certain types of ulterior interests or phenomena within human nature. Stuff of the human condition, especially pertaining to its darker, more pathological side - all too common of psychedelia and new age milieu, posing myriad issues. Not all very well understood, I feel, to its advantage maybe - for ability to persist even thrive. And resurge as seems to be the case at present, from signs I see on the horizon (little blips like at UPenn and Univ of Bristol, etc).

I see you’ve studied Linguistics, good to know your background. That’s a great Salon article you linked btw, I often cite it myself. Promise me you’ve seen that 1 hr, 2007 BBC doc too? (“Castaneda’s life was like an earthquake, and the closer to the epicenter you were, the worse the damage you took”)

For now I’m glad my link to that psypressuk feature was of interest.  On that note why don’t I report latest on that? Update, in case of continuing interest - a latest new piece by the same grad student (Person of Interest) at Univ of Bristol, as in the previous link I posted, brought to attention by the same psychonautic broadcast ‘news and info’ source:

http://psypressuk.com/2014/03/24/beyond-castaneda-a-brief-history-of-psychedelics-in-anthropology-part-1-1859-1950/

I might just note, mini fyi - replies at the bottom of the page (link above) - mine, and statements it elicited (under whatever scrutiny I manage to bring, as I try) - from editors, and Person of Interest, Jack Hunter (grad student essay author).  Hard to call the 'replies' exactly since they seem to me unresponsive; more "dodgy-but-trying-to-look-like-reply" theater - avoidance, passive diversion, distraction etc.  Today I saw a new typical “attitude” post – led me to think, maybe I struck a nerve. Among defensive backfire against my citing Castaneda as a fraud – its the first that actually admits the issue, or - even uses the word (as it does). The other replies avoid it like the plague, as if copy/paste over 'fraud' with a less unsavory sounding distinction ‘Castaneda fiction or nonfiction’ – as if to whitewash fraud, sweep it under a rhetorical rug, or downplay it by euphemism.  Thanks Odelle, btw I dig your posts.

PS - at that site, the top of my first post (one of two displayed) it says “2nd submission – for posting.” I might explain, I submitted it – first time - for over a week it never appeared. Rather than assume anything (but having waited long enough for it to display) - I felt a 2nd chance was in order for psypressuk. Especially having credited their site in my post here (this forum) - as not censorious. So I submitted it again, no harm ‘breathing in their face’ I figured, with that ‘for posting’ notice added (for good measure).

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