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Savannah River Band of Euchee
« on: April 18, 2014, 03:37:54 pm »
Hello, I am a born native of South Carolina and into radio. I have lived in Allendale & Barnmwell SC all of my life called the Low country. I am concerned and dismayed at a guy we all here know and his family. His given name is Lonzado Langley, and he has changed it several times. He was basically pushed out of Allendale for defrauding the county for second hand computers that he sold to us as "New". He also brought a Dr. into town we will just call him "Doc" who also pushed phoney insurance claims against the people of my county. Now for some unknown reason, this guy is now proclaiming to be a Native American Chief of the "Yuchi" " Savannah River band of Euchee" supposed located here in Allendale. This man is a complete fraud, as there has never been a group by that name here!
After doing some research I found he is even going to the extent of posting in forums as himself, talking about himself.  A Quote taken from a site ancestry site located here: http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?o=10&m=1925.2.1.1.1.1.1&p=topics.ethnic.melungeon.melungeon

" The tribe in south carolina none of them have even considered themselves creeks, I am sure some of there ancestors ended in kansas as prisoners of war. but they will cut your slice your neck if you called them creeks. they are Euchee and Euchee alone. another thing these people on the savannah river have documented history of land grants back to 1773. Many of them are priest.they have strong magic. we deal with them respecfully and lightly. "

Now here on the first page he quotes himself in third party
" Today they have tribe known as the savannah river band of euchee indians 3700 tribal members. I was able to attend one of there pow pows and they counted there numbers. I ask where they federal tribe the chief said no they want nothing from the brothers of Andrew Jackson they burn 20 dollar bills, he said they are indigenous."
I don't think he understands that if you look up his username it shows on google, that it is attached to him. (lonzadoil ).
https://creativemarket.com/lonzadoil/activity
https://www.facebook.com/SavannahRiverBandOfEucheeIndians
https://www.lcso.org/inmates/mugshot_booking_detail_middle.php?pf=0&bookingnumber=12011265

And Now he is on facebook associated with a Group called the MT. ARAFAT YAMASSEE EMBASSY CLAN, promoting them and selling Genealogy to folks. What is a Embassy Clan?
A Friend of mine in SLED said they are investigating him, for impersonating F.B.I. agent named Mike Tebeishi or something like that and making calls to people using a VOIP IP phone to mask his number. But they traced it back to (Clermont, Fl). We here are just overwhelmed at this guy and him still being a con artist. he even went as far as trying to get the county to fund his fake tribe under some company he made called LTTI corp or close to that, for some communications project.

 I know his deceased Grand Mother Ruby Langley, who was a good woman, I also know his mother & father Ladonna Langley who father was Solomon Langley and his father who is Rudolph Brunson, from Hampton and they are Mixed with European not Indians. In speaking with them they all said something is wrong with him. ( mentally). How do you just steal a native American group identity and then try and play the race card for validation. When I looked up the Langley name, all of them are listed as Cherokee,( IF) that is even his grand father side or not! Anyways, I was told you guys here do great research in sniffing out the frauds! Without any help from me, he, I think is already proven that!
Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I follow up with more leads, that says they have proof he has made this all up! if he can get away with this I feel he will try and Fraud our County again, by trying to receive money he is not entitled to.
Sad day, when con artist make real people look bad... >:(
« Last Edit: April 27, 2014, 12:19:40 pm by educatedindian »
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Re: Fake-Savannah River band of Euchee
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2014, 03:48:12 pm »
I was forwarded this on the Arafat group now they are using another tribe to promote a coyote scheme. Wow this is right up Lonzado Langley alley !
http://rrunrrun.blogspot.com/2014/02/yamassee-tribe-issues-clarification-on.html

"By Juan Montoya
Immigrant rights activists and attorneys are warning local non-citizens who are seeking to legalize their status against what they say is a scam by some people saying they  represent a South Carolina Indian (Native American) tribe that will allow them to gain citizenship into the United States.
Several complaints have been filed with the Mexican Consulate in Brownsville saying the operators who say they are representatives of an alleged Yamassee Tribe and  have charged them a $2,500 fee for naturalization documents stating that they have become members of the tribe and therefore are eligible to remain in this country legally."

Unbelievable
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Re: Fake-Savannah River band of Euchee
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2014, 06:58:26 pm »
Hello, I am a born native of South Carolina and into radio. I have lived in Allendale & Barnmwell SC all of my life called the Low country. I am concerned and dismayed at a guy we all here know and his family. His given name is Lonzado Langley, and he has changed it several times. He was basically pushed out of Allendale for defrauding the county for second hand computers that he sold to us as "New". He also brought a Dr. into town we will just call him "Doc" who also pushed phoney insurance claims against the people of my county. Now for some unknown reason, this guy is now proclaiming to be a Native American Chief of the "Yuchi" " Savannah River band of Euchee" supposed located here in Allendale. This man is a complete fraud, as there has never been a group by that name here!
After doing some research I found he is even going to the extent of posting in forums as himself, talking about himself.  A Quote taken from a site ancestry site located here: http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?o=10&m=1925.2.1.1.1.1.1&p=topics.ethnic.melungeon.melungeon

" The tribe in south carolina none of them have even considered themselves creeks, I am sure some of there ancestors ended in kansas as prisoners of war. but they will cut your slice your neck if you called them creeks. they are Euchee and Euchee alone. another thing these people on the savannah river have documented history of land grants back to 1773. Many of them are priest.they have strong magic. we deal with them respecfully and lightly. "

Now here on the first page he quotes himself in third party
" Today they have tribe known as the savannah river band of euchee indians 3700 tribal members. I was able to attend one of there pow pows and they counted there numbers. I ask where they federal tribe the chief said no they want nothing from the brothers of Andrew Jackson they burn 20 dollar bills, he said they are indigenous."
I don't think he understands that if you look up his username it shows on google, that it is attached to him. (lonzadoil ).
https://creativemarket.com/lonzadoil/activity
https://www.facebook.com/SavannahRiverBandOfEucheeIndians
https://www.lcso.org/inmates/mugshot_booking_detail_middle.php?pf=0&bookingnumber=12011265

And Now he is on facebook associated with a Group called the MT. ARAFAT YAMASSEE EMBASSY CLAN, promoting them and selling Genealogy to folks. What is a Embassy Clan?
A Friend of mine in SLED said they are investigating him, for impersonating F.B.I. agent named Mike Tebeishi or something like that and making calls to people using a VOIP IP phone to mask his number. But they traced it back to (Clermont, Fl). We here are just overwhelmed at this guy and him still being a con artist. he even went as far as trying to get the county to fund his fake tribe under some company he made called LTTI corp or close to that, for some communications project.

 I know his deceased Grand Mother Ruby Langley, who was a good woman, I also know his mother & father Ladonna Langley who father was Solomon Langley and his father who is Rudolph Brunson, from Hampton and they are Mixed with European not Indians. In speaking with them they all said something is wrong with him. ( mentally). How do you just steal a native American group identity and then try and play the race card for validation. When I looked up the Langley name, all of them are listed as Cherokee,( IF) that is even his grand father side or not! Anyways, I was told you guys here do great research in sniffing out the frauds! Without any help from me, he, I think is already proven that!
Any help would be greatly appreciated, as I follow up with more leads, that says they have proof he has made this all up! if he can get away with this I feel he will try and Fraud our County again, by trying to receive money he is not entitled to.
Sad day, when con artist make real people look bad... >:(

I didn't find any connection between Langley and the Mt Ararat group. It's AraRat, not Arafat. We have a thread on them already.

For some of the other information I couldn't confirm it online. If you have any way to prove the con artist, FBI imposter, theft claims,  or any involvement in immigration fraud, please do so.

Like you point out, he does have a very recent criminal past for domestic violence.
http://www.bustedmugshots.com/florida/clermont/lonzado-alonza-langley/65726411

He also went to court over a foreclosure.
http://ftp.lakecountyclerk.org/record_searches/online_court_records/online_court_records_detail.asp?case_id=28777197%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%20

Worked in IT and "chief" since 2010.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/lonzado-langley/5/211/240
Also IT in Virginia.
http://www.intelius.com/Find-Phone-Address/Alexandria-VA/Lonzado-Langley.html
US Navy.
http://www.vetfriends.com/veterandirectory/?member=855554
Interview at bottom.
http://www.examiner.com/article/native-american-african-and-proud

The other leaders of SRB.
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http://www.srbeucheetribalnation.org/26-eutchees-national-council/
National Council of Governance

In Loving Memory Great Grand Matriarch
Ms Holafa Agaley(Ruby Lee Langley)
Morning Glory
Mother of the Uchean Nation
The Prayer Keeper

Grand Matriarch
Patricia Golden
Precious Dove
Tribal Secretary
Clerk of Court
Patrica.BGolden@srbeucheetribalnation.org

Matriarch ?
Director, Tribal Conferences and Events
Barbara M.R. Stevens
Barbara.RS@Srbeucheetribe.org

Chief
Director of Economic Development
Business Vison, Strategy and Tactics
Caona Wefafa Nay   ? 
ChiefEagleWalks@Srbeucheetribalnation.org

Deputy Chief
Director of Tribal Housing and Reservation Development, The Mound Builder     
Caona Tsyasuti?
Deputychief@srbeucheetribalnation.org

Chief  Marshal
Headman Black Eagle Village
Caona Ishpi Wey?
LeonJunior@srbeucheetribalnation.org
 
David Brown Jr
Tribal Chairman
Silver Fox
Euchee Dave 
DavidBrownjr@srbeucheetribalnation.org 
 
Chief Historian
Tribal Entertainment Chairman, Leading Expert on Black Seminoles and Southeastern Indians Culture Affairs  Euchee-Yuchi, Eufala
Presiding Chief of SRB  Little Black Snake Clan, Central Florida 
John Griffin Jr.
Euchee.John@SRBEucheetribe.org

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On another page they accidentally refer to "Eagle Walks" as "Walking Eagle" ;D.

The "tribe" is only two years old. They claim to be working towards a tribal museum, clinic, credit union, law enforcement. Their enrollment process says you must show four generations going back to a roll in the 1850s. I think most of them genuinely believe they have ancestry.

But the best they can do so far is write in general terms about groups that maybe are related to them, Maroons, Gullahs, and that there definitely was some Black/Indian mixture going on but later laws reclassified them as solely Black and erased most records.

They do unfortunately seem to be influenced by Yammassee/Washitaw/Nuwabian type nonsense claims. That seems to be what's behind that ignorant claim on the genealogy board where he accuses Natives of being Andrew Jackson's sons, or nonsense like this:

"These European predators created clone tribes, deeming themselves as chiefs and aligning themselves with rogue Indian nations where those imposters would sign treaties which they had no birthright to. Other treaties were signed by half-breeds with European fathers who befriended old Andy Jackson for the sole purpose of self-greed.
 Historical writer Edward Cashin in his book From Creeks to Crackers tells a legendary story of the history about mixed breeding. Other imposters stole the identity of the several bands or tribes of Yuchi nation and changed them to Creeks."

Langley claims they have 3700 or 6000 members. That's exaggerated by at least 10 times. Their FB page has about 370 likes and these powwow photos show maybe 50 people at most.
http://www.srbeucheetribalnation.org/53-pow-wow-2013/

Profile for the SRB says over a million in revenue and 10-50 workers. Not clear where they get that from, says vaguely "consulting."
http://companies.findthebest.com/l/31212281/Savannah-River-Band-Of-Euchee-Indians-in-Allendale-SC

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Re: Fake-Savannah River band of Euchee
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2014, 07:08:14 pm »
I was forwarded this on the Arafat group now they are using another tribe to promote a coyote scheme. Wow this is right up Lonzado Langley alley !
http://rrunrrun.blogspot.com/2014/02/yamassee-tribe-issues-clarification-on.html

"By Juan Montoya
Immigrant rights activists and attorneys are warning local non-citizens who are seeking to legalize their status against what they say is a scam by some people saying they  represent a South Carolina Indian (Native American) tribe that will allow them to gain citizenship into the United States.
Several complaints have been filed with the Mexican Consulate in Brownsville saying the operators who say they are representatives of an alleged Yamassee Tribe and  have charged them a $2,500 fee for naturalization documents stating that they have become members of the tribe and therefore are eligible to remain in this country legally."

Unbelievable

If you click the photo you'll see that's a different group, this one.
http://yamasseenation.com/
The Mt Ararat "embassy" is a splinter of the Nuwaubians. Confusing I know, but each of these groups claim to be the "true" Yammasee/Moundbuilders/whatever name they are taking this week.

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Re: Fake-Savannah River band of Euchee
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2014, 07:20:39 pm »
Wow amazing, I had to friend him in facebook to make the connection, he hides post unless you are his friend, that's how I made the mt. arafat connection. he is pushing their INDEED non profit organization which i saw in that article.
The SLED thing, i will have to ask my buddy, as its still a ongoing investigation.
Thank you so much educatedindian for your help.
Our people here are tired of this guy, creating money schemes.
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« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2014, 07:24:31 pm »
Also the reference to him as Eagle walk, was not by accident, he changed it from what I was told, because Walking Eagle means a bird thats full of &*sh. can anyone verify that? lol ;D
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« Reply #6 on: April 20, 2014, 02:54:29 pm »
Wow amazing, I had to friend him in facebook to make the connection, he hides post unless you are his friend, that's how I made the mt. arafat connection. he is pushing their INDEED non profit organization which i saw in that article.
The SLED thing, i will have to ask my buddy, as its still a ongoing investigation.
Thank you so much educatedindian for your help.
Our people here are tired of this guy, creating money schemes.

If you have the facebook posts, then post them. I didn't see anything like that on his fb page. He does like and posts on several groups like African American Ain't African and the Bureau of Black Indian Affairs. That's a far cry from being involved in immigration scams.

I feel the need to emphasize very strongly so far all the claims of criminal actions by Langley are unproven allegations with the exception of an arrest for domestic violence.

If there was ever any charges for theft, insurance scams, etc., let's see them, or at least evidence of an investigation, arrests, etc. Surely defrauding the local govt would have made the local news?

Until we see to the contrary, it's reckless to post such claims without proof. So far Langley seems to have some delusional and offensive ideas, but I see no sign he's a criminal for profit, though he was arrested as a lowlife woman beater.

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« Reply #7 on: April 21, 2014, 05:27:18 pm »
I completely understand!!!!

 Facebook reference and relationship to Renee Sanders, Tavis Sanders, Derrick Sanders group, from my research.

Lonzado Langley
April 15 at 11:14pm ยท Edited

Friends and Family on the behalf of the Savannah River Band of Uchee Indians. We have develop an E- Learning Program at our Viritual Campus Savannah River Chiefdoms. Which is an Education Fund, It operates as an independent non-profit charitable trust, advances the educational aims of the Board for Certification of Southeastern Tribal Genealogists. Each month, we will award an E- scholarship which is a 4 hour genealogy workshop. To apply Just Inbox me.
Lonzado Langley shared Renee Sanders's photo.
April 15 at 8:52pm
Renee Sanders's photo."

https://www.facebook.com/groups/730954710267287/
The image says the exact same thing, Mt. AraRat photo says. He is also promoting their Youtube Indeed. I say again for clarity, what I know for sure is he isn't Real, and this is made up, Im just learning of his affiliation with the Nuwapian people (Mt. Arafat) we are looking into this as well, with my contacts.
Thank you for helping again.
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Re: Fake-Savannah River band of Euchee
« Reply #8 on: April 22, 2014, 01:40:32 am »
Actually that shows the opposite of what you claim. It shows his contacts with the main Yamassee group, not the Mt Ararat splinter group. The main group has no history of immigration scams we know of.

And there's still no proof of your claims of him defrauding people or local govts.

The Indeed Indigenous Education group does spread falsehoods, but I see no sign of criminal behavior so far.

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« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2014, 01:58:11 pm »
Langley contacted me. He states they applied for federal recognition, got frustrated, and are now applying for state.

He did provide a court doc on his domestic violence arrest and denies any criminal action by SLED or Indeed.

He also sent a doc showing an ancestor listed as an Indian soldier in the Civil War, but says he won't provide genealogy.

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THE COUNTY COURT OF THE FIFTH JIJDICIAT,'CIRCUIT,
OF THE STATE OF FLORIDA, INAND FORLAKE.'.Cff TY'.i.I.
STATE OF FLORIDA
VS.
LONZADO ALONZ LANGLEY/
CFIARGE:I BATTERY
ANNOUNCEMENT OF NO.TNFORMATTON
Comes now the State of Florida, by and through its undersigned Assistant State Attorney, and announces that it will file no information in the above entitled cause based on the following grounds:
The victim in this case requested that the State not prosecute the alleged Defendant, her boyfriend, for this incident in a sworn written statement. According to the victim, the alleged Defendant did not hit or strike her without her permission, and this case is a misunderstanding and distraction. The victim also stated that she was not injured during the incident, and that it was a back and forth screaming match. The victim does not believe that the Defendant intended to hurt her, and that she is not in fear of the Defendant in any way. Given the circumstances of the situation, including the combination of lack of cooperation on the part of the victim in addition to a lack of witnesses to the incident, the likelihood of conviction is minimal, and the State will comply with the victim's wishes and not pursue prosecution at this time.
DATED this Wednesday of January, 2013.
I HEREBY CERTIFY that a copy of the above has been furnished to Bryce A Fetter, 2431Lee
Rd, Winter Park, FL 32789, by hand or mail, and the Lake County Jail (Inmate Records and Warrants Division), by facsimile this '19 day of January,2013.
BRAD KING
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Assistant State Attorney
Fla. Bar # 0096101
Lake County Judicial Center
550 West Main Street
PO Box 7800
Tavares, FL 32778
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Re: Savannah River Band of Euchee
« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2014, 12:39:00 pm »
Langley has sent me a series of emails. He says the Yamassee group came to the town of Allendale, presenting themselves as a recognized tribe. Then they started to claim publicly the SRB were part of the Yamassee. He believes SCDog to be a Yamassee himself.

SCDog's behavior is certainly suspicious. He has yet to prove most of the charges he's made. His first post proclaimed himself to be related to Langley, that they were both simply Black and not Native, and angry Langley was claiming to be Native. Yet SCDog in his own profile proclaims himself a proud Native.

Below are excerpts from Langley's emails.

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 Thank you. We are friendly people. The person that wrote this is a  splinter group of the yamassee. The yamassee muskogee nation. Who is by all means a fake yamassee tribe.  Two years ago. We held a celebration. The city of allendale honored my grandmother uchee indian Ms Ruby Langley for 62 years of service at as town seamtress. we are also embrace our heritage. each year we celebrate the yamassee war. We look online a saw a
group. who said they were the yamassee muskogee nation and they were a federal recognized  tribe.

 Later we found out they were not. Allendale is a small community where everyone knows everyone. the mayor and council members all grew up under my grandmother and play with my uncles at aunts. this our family relationship with city government.  So these people show up with documents from the creek nation. at the time we thought nothing of it. as time when on things did not seem right they began to write new articles claiming us to be yamassee. now that was a big issue.

 because the yamasse war was an alliance of tribes  uchee, apalachee, peedee, swannee  savanno and many others engage. we only invited them from historical purposes. So we did to investigate. we called the creek nation, they had no connections none whatsoever, we called the creek freedmen they had no connection, we call bia this when we found out they were a splinter of a group called the yamassee nation american moors of the creek nation. now called themselves nuwabians.  Sekhu gente who real name is Donald 
Franklin a con man. that's the only ever connection to these people. Now there is another group indeed,  I am a tribal historian and a forensic genealogist.

 We have a charter for our heritage club. Uchean historical society. under this we have develop at e campus for learning.  I will be happy to give you and e pass invite to check it out. anyway these people have been nothing but problems for the community that have made attempts to file false claims against the city please see the attachment. 

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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2014, 02:09:21 pm »
On youtube are four films / Intervies about / with Chief Langely

A brief meeting with Chief Langley discussing genealogy and ....
tube.com/watch?v=u7Jykd_Ue-g&list=PLmapc_YFtjyIvW7Tr2G-Md0sBSnfOy3hZ

Chief Langley of The Yuchi Tribe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2b_tDv2dvg&list=PLmapc_YFtjyIvW7Tr2G-Md0sBSnfOy3hZ

Chief Langley's Perspective on Blood Quantum Laws and Racial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enOqaoJdwR0&list=PLmapc_YFtjyIvW7Tr2G-Md0sBSnfOy3hZ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7lyobiGnc6g&list=PLmapc_YFtjyIvW7Tr2G-Md0sBSnfOy3hZ
Chief Langley's perspective on Metaphysics and Spiritualism

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« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2014, 12:07:02 pm »
Can anyone read? I am white, not related to Langley or his family!
I never claimed to be related to Langley, my post is clear. I am nor DO I , LIKE HIM, proclaim Indian blood, nor am I apart of the Yamassee. Langley knows who my family is, he knows us well.

I will be posting his petition to the Yamassee , I acquired last week, which will show he is a Liar.
And everyone here in ALLENDALE Will tell you that, he is known as the Town Liar.
He is pissed at their Chief for Ousting him in a email, so he been on a revenge campaign every since !

I ask do not put words in my mouth as the post prove what , I said and stand by.
I also can show via his own image on his website, he nor his group existed, and could not get a key, until he piggy back of the Yamassee!
This guy nor anyone addressed his third party rants about himself, and he admits to affiliating with Mt. Arafat via Indeed!
The Yamassee doesn't even care about this guy, as their Chief Sekho said he. Has no time nor energy to argue with those who know , he knows the truth and facts to prove it.

Lonzado hates this guy, caused he called him a emotional mental unstable person, and since then been on a Anti Yamassee campaign! He Lonzado has no job and all one has to do is go online and see he post to Facebook ALL day from one account to the next!

I will be posting  the scans of documents today! But lonzado buddy  , you Know us bubba, and how us boys do, when ya spit in front of our feet!
I have all I need to prove your a Liar! And when do You think Sled will ever tell you their watching you?
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« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2014, 12:22:12 pm »
Ask him to show his certificate as a forensic genealogist, and what accredited school he went to that made him a "forensic" genealogist!
I watched those YouTube videos he went right into that crazy rant on there!

This is only about showing this GUY a fraud, and we here in Allendale knows It!
You can be any thing Online to the Public Bubba, but we here know, you!
And he should apologize to us and the Yamassee they actual care that native people in Sc are being made to look bad!
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« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2014, 12:28:09 pm »
Apparently you can't read, or have forgotten about, your own signature you put on your profile when you signed up.
"Loving native culture, and the true history of the original people!"

Your first post you described yourself as "proud South Carolina native" and how well you knew Langley. To most people that would have meant you claimed first to be Native, and then to know Langley as a family member or former friend. This is the first time you've admitted to being white, or made it clear you've only heard of Langley.

And now in this last post you strangely demand he apologize to an abusive and exploitative cult, and seem to buy into their ludicrous claims of being actual Natives. A strange thing for someone saying they are white to do. Much more likely to be something a Nuwaubian with a grudge against Langley would do, as Langley argues you are.

So that makes a number of times you've made misleading statements. Your last two posts fit with that, a lot of claims but no proof so far.

The SRB clearly are influenced by Nuwaubian ideas. Langley certainly is. The other SRB members, it's not clear. In that, they seem to be similar to another group we looked at, simply calling themselves Yamassee Nation, but not the full title of the Nuwaubians, "Yamassee Nation of Moors." Both seem to be disillusioned with the tactics of the Nuwaubians, their abusive cult practices, but unfortunately not their obviously phony beliefs.

I'm putting a hold on you posting until you prove who you are and provide proof of what you say. You can still send IMs to the moderators, or send an email to the forum address.