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Ruben Saufkie Sr.
« on: August 28, 2014, 07:46:32 pm »
This person is at the moment in the netherlands leading a sweatlodge. Cost to take part is €150. I've seen his name in a few threads, but he has no topic of his own. On Youtube he performs an eagledance with his wife and daughter.

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Hopi in the netherlands

Barbara Burton & Ruben Saufkie Sr. of the Hopi waterclan are now in Europe
18 – 25 augustus Frankrijk Centre Lothlorien
27 – 31 augustus Nederland in Zeeland Brabant and Rotterdam, separate daily programs

HOPI WATERCEREMONY & WATER MAIDEN DANCE, SHARING AND SWEAT LODGE

Nederland 27 - 31 augustus 2014

“We come and share our Hopi way of life. Barbara will share from the Hopi women's role and responsibilities in our culture. I will share the medicine wheel, talking circle, sweat lodge and culture songs with messages and be very open to any questions that you may have. We also have a movie from our elders of old that is a good representation of our Hopi way of life” “Don’t worry be hopi”


added; the movie is called 'shift of the ages'
« Last Edit: August 28, 2014, 07:55:17 pm by sandyfer »

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Re: Ruben Saufkie Sr.
« Reply #1 on: August 28, 2014, 10:25:31 pm »
This person is at the moment in the netherlands leading a sweatlodge. Cost to take part is €150. I've seen his name in a few threads, but he has no topic of his own. On Youtube he performs an eagledance with his wife and daughter.

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Hopi in the netherlands

Barbara Burton & Ruben Saufkie Sr. of the Hopi waterclan are now in Europe
18 – 25 augustus Frankrijk Centre Lothlorien
27 – 31 augustus Nederland in Zeeland Brabant and Rotterdam, separate daily programs

HOPI WATERCEREMONY & WATER MAIDEN DANCE, SHARING AND SWEAT LODGE

Nederland 27 - 31 augustus 2014

“We come and share our Hopi way of life. Barbara will share from the Hopi women's role and responsibilities in our culture. I will share the medicine wheel, talking circle, sweat lodge and culture songs with messages and be very open to any questions that you may have. We also have a movie from our elders of old that is a good representation of our Hopi way of life” “Don’t worry be hopi”


added; the movie is called 'shift of the ages'

He is mentioned several times on this forum.  If you do a search from the home screen on his name, several hits in the Fraud threads come up.

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The event featured a number of so-called "healers", including one Hopi Indian, Ruben Saufkie, that Tipton alleged was a "Hopi Elder" and "Hopi Eagle Dancer". In letters to local groups and officials, the Hopi Nation and seven Hopi spiritual elders said that Mr. Saufkie "...is not who he says he is..." and said he was never trained by spiritual elders and Saufkie was not authorized or recognized as an Eagle Dancer by the tribe.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=2380.msg19891#msg19891

It looks like he has discovered where the money is, along with LG!

He has the endorsement of Kymberlee Ruff, and that says a lot (she has her own thread here):

http://www.thegroundcrew.com/hopi_tibetan/2009/051009.html
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=3574.msg35924#msg35924

« Last Edit: August 28, 2014, 10:57:28 pm by Autumn »

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Re: Ruben Saufkie Sr.
« Reply #2 on: August 29, 2014, 12:07:13 am »
 
Selling American Indian Spirituality
is Big Business!
From Takatoka and Friends
 
 
Over the years, the Smoke Signal News published a number of stories about the foul way some people sell American Indian spiritual ways and ceremonies.  Usually, those stories focused on individual incidents where a plastic shaman or two were caught and ran off with a few hundred bucks.  On a rare occasion, the individual was arrested for fraud.
 
In the past three months, we reported on subjects that point to what seems to be an avalanche of desecration of American Indian ceremonies.
   
  Sacred Ceremonies for a Price?
  Sweat Lodge Deaths - Greed and Ignorance
 
The frequency of incidents and audacity of perpetrators is snowballing out of control.  What was once random occurrences committed by individuals acting alone appears to have grown beyond belief and threatens American Indian spirituality at its core.
 
Today, organized teams of greedy culture thieves, large corporations and cartels of self-appointed "healers", self-help gurus, and New Age mumbo-jumbo artists, have formed fraud syndicates that are cashing in on public ignorance and the growing need for spiritual guidance.
 
Several decades ago, after the veil of secrecy was lifted with the publication of books by Black Elk, Frank Fools Crow and other prominent spiritual elders, American Indian ceremony became popular among the masses of dominant culture.  As an open and free culture, American Indian people willingly accepted outsiders who sat in sacred circles and began to learn the ancient ways. This was done in hopes non-Indians would begin the slow and deep soul-searching process of learning the sacred rites and ceremonies in an honorable and respectful way and as a result, the world would be better for all.
 
For a time, all this was good and many people found the Good Red Road fulfilled their spiritual needs.  But, at the same time, pseudo-Indian groups and fake shamans (both non-Indian and Indian) took advantage of these gifts without seriously walking-the-talk.  The good and wise elders of that time felt that the sacred circle should be open to anyone who came in a respectful way seeking spiritual enlightenment.  But, once the horse was out of the barn, so to speak, there was no stopping greedy, self-appointed purveyors of fraud.  Today, spiritual elders, such as Arvol Looking Horse, are attempting to close the barn door by restricting participation in ceremonies, but words of caution fall on deaf ears and fake ceremonies continue without much concern from the mass media, dominant society, the government or anyone except a few American Indians.
 
Now, because of complacency among legal authorities, elected representatives, and the media, the pseudo-shamans have honed their fraud skills, organized, employed large staffs, and financed huge gatherings that rake in hundreds of thousands of dollars -- all at the expense of American Indian spirituality.
 
The tricksters use distorted and perverted versions of Indian ceremonies and often employ Indian actors from North, Central and South America to give their performances an appearance of authenticity.  They claim the Indian actors are "spiritual elders" and "healers" among their tribes. Often, the paid Indian actors come from the bottom of Indian tribal society and are ostracized by their elders for refusing to follow tradition.  Unfortunately, elders are powerless to stop errant tribal members when faced with fast-talking promoters, piles of money and large boosts to the egos of these misled actors.
 
A Case In Point - More Information Obtained
In April 2009,  Adam "Yellowbird" DeArmon, who heads up a million-dollar organization called "The Institute for Cultural Awareness" (ICA) located near Sedona engaged the services of Ruben Saufkie, Sr., a Hopi tribal member, to help him organize the "Return of the Ancestors" Gathering and attract more paying participants in "sacred ceremonies".   It was the widely advertised intention of DeArmon and Saufkie to take dozens of bus loads and long caravans of cars to ancient sacred sites located on the Hopi Reservation. The Hopi Nation formerly notified both DeArmon and Saufkie in writing months before that the Gathering would not be allowed on Hopi land.  But, DeArmon continued to sell high-dollar reservations to unsuspecting participants for months via the Internet and by U.S. Mail with full knowledge that the ceremonies would not take place.
 
DeArmon and his supporters claim the Hopi Nation and its spiritual elders denied entry to their sacred sites because "ceremonial protocol was broken".  Yes, that is partly true.  But DeArmon and his ICA supporters fail to mention specifics of their actions that precipitated the strong Hopi back-lash.  Telling a different story, Ruben Saufkie claims that Hopi "politics" is the reason why ceremonies were prohibited.  Saufkie says he is a "progressive leader" and the traditional elders are against him.  DeArmon and his supporters now say "...the Hopi are not as important as many people think..." h
june09/rota_2009_prophecy.html
DeArmon also advertised ceremonies allegedly to take place at the Northern Arizona University during the Return of the Ancestors Gathering with prestigious elders and educators.  However, months before the event was planned to take place, DeArmon was notified in writing that NAU would not allow event to take place on university property.  This is another event during the "Return of the Ancestors" Gathering that was cancelled and DeArmon had full knowledge of this months before the event was to take place.  DeArmon is silent on the subject of NAU's denial.  Regardless of these facts, DeArmon and Saufkie continued their masquerade as hundreds of thousands of dollars poured into DeArmon's bank.
 
The ICA website challenged paying guests to the Return of the Ancestors Gathering to anti-up 1.5 million dollars to hear so-called spiritual elders, primarily from Mexico and South America, pontificate about prophesy, ways to achieve peace and participate in "sacred ceremonies".   After his initial goal was reached, DeArmon increased his demand to 3 million dollars to "...Create a social impact like no other!..." The ICA website also says, "All donations are completely tax deductible and go towards the gathering."
 
A long-time ICA supporter and associate of DeArmon is a man living in Sedona who goes by the alias, Drunvalo Melchizedek.  Melchizedek says on his website that "Every penny you gave to the ICA, either for tickets or donations, went to the elders in the form of airline tickets, bussing, shelter, food etc,...."
 
That is an interesting statement coming from an ICA insider.  The Institute for Cultural Awareness' goal was to sponsor 72 or more global spiritual/cultural leaders and 28 youth council leaders.  Even though many invited speakers drove to the event, let's pretend that 100 airline tickets were purchased at an extremely high cost of $3,000.00 each, thus the bill would be $300,000.  That leaves over a million dollars to feed and house the speakers.
 
Eye-witnesses say that invited elders were begging participants to buy them blankets because they were cold from staying in make-shift quarters and many complained to participants that they were hungry.  Hundreds of paying participants wandered around for hours trying to find advertised events.  Food was not available at stated times and places.  Emergency services and first-aid stations were not available for some people who got sick. It appeared to many ticket buyers the main concern of the strong-arm security staff was preventing anyone from recording the event.  Many people were frisked and threatened about taking "authorized" pictures.  A horde of paid photographers, video crews and equipment, security staff, and hawkers blocked the view of for many.  Schedules were changed without notice and no printed schedules were available for most participants.
 
Promoters of the Return of the Ancestors Gathering disregarded the safety and welfare of ticket holders and violated numerous state laws.  The ICA and Adam DeArmon committed fraud by continuing to sell tickets and accepting cash donations for events they knew would not take place.  Local and state law enforcement officials have a responsibility to investigate these claims.   
 
After light began to show through the thin veil of the million-dollar scam, DeArmon disabled most areas of his website and the only area that appears to be open is page titled "501(c)(3) Donations" http://www.instituteforculturalawareness.com/  http://www.ica8.org  DeArmon did respond once to our emails asking for his comments, but his only response was, "That is not the truth."   He failed to answer subsequent email questions asking what is the truth and what is not the truth.   DeArmon is difficult to reach for a statement, but he promises on his website that "the work will continue".   We hope not.
 
The Scam Saga Continues
Earlier this year, Arkansas authorities investigated the 09-09-09 Gathering at the Mount Magazine State Park hosted by an associate of Jason "Yellowbird" DeArmon, James "Tyberonn" Tipton, of Texas.  DeArmon's actor, Ruben Saufkie turns up at the event and Tipton falsely identified him in Internet advertising, posters, and letters as a Hopi Spiritual Elder, a Healer and Eagle Dancer in order to attract paying participants in "sacred healing ceremonies".
 
Even though Tipton knew Saufkie's real background at least as early 2009, he continued to widely advertise the event featuring Saufkie.  According to written information from Hopi spiritual elders and from the Hopi Nation, Saufkie is not a respected elder nor is he an Eagle Dancer.  Saufkie possesses no training as a Hopi spiritual elder and has no special healing powers.  Saufkie is an Indian actor whose only credits include helping to produce and appear at bogus sacred ceremonies promoted by pseudo-shamans.  Saufkie may be a political progressive on the Hopi Reservation, but he is only a paid actor whenever he attempts to export sacred Hopi ceremonies to off-reservation events.
 
Tipton claims he "channels" a new Archangel he calls "Metatron" that only Tipton can see and hear.  During the 09-09-09 Gathering, participants paid $444 each to witness Tipton communicate with the spirit world and summon the Archangel who delivered special messages he relayed to the audience.  Tipton  asked everyone with a digital camera to take pictures of the blank back wall of the large meeting room.  The audience was suitably impressed and very well entertained when their camera viewers clearly showed a large image of a spirit-being.  One female participant said, "It was fantastic to see a picture of a real spirit!" 
 
However, it was later discovered that prior to the 09-09-09 Gathering, Tipton locked himself in the large meeting room for over an hour.  A side door to the meeting room was left slightly ajar and a number of guests at the lodge, who were not participants in the Gathering, accidently opened the door to find Tipton spraying something on the back wall.  The substance sprayed was similar to a newly patented invention called Kameraflage, a substance that is invisible to the naked eye but digital cameras see a broader spectrum of light than human eyes. By rendering content, spirit images, in these wavelengths the substance creates displays that are invisible to the naked eye, yet can be seen when imaged with a digital camera.  So much for Metatron.
 
Saufkie and other actors also turn up on lists of known associates of James Arthur Ray, the now infamous self-help guru who in October, 2009 charged nearly $10,000 a pop for a sweat lodge ceremony near Sedona where three people lost their lives and twenty were hospitalized.
 

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Re: Ruben Saufkie Sr.
« Reply #3 on: August 29, 2014, 02:55:43 pm »

I had a look at the German language entries for Ruben Saufkie Sr. Saufkie gets mentioned between appr 2008/2009 and 2012.

He used to be a member of Karin Tag's faux Council of World Elders (see:   ), but has been deleted from the list of members, same as a faux Inka shaman living in Germany (Jorge Vizcarra). They were replaced by Pedro Guerra, a faux Peruvian shaman selling Ayahuasca and maintaining a 'retreat' in a remote region and an Iranian story-teller.

Saufkie got promoted in the film „The Blue Jewel“, e.g. in this way:

http://www.dasblauejuwel.net/ruben-saufkie-sr.html

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Ruben Saufkie Sr. is a Hopi Indian who, although only being 43 years of age, belongs to the „Council of Sages“. Ruben is also a Galactic Ambassador for the indigenous peoples of this world.

This isn't exactly small change! No measly ambassador to Europe for his people – nope, a veritable galactic ambassador for *all indigenous peoples. Quite a jump on the job ladder.
The site also has an English language section which is a bit different:
http://www.dasblauejuwel.net/ruben-saufkie-sr-65.html

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Ruben Saufkie Senior is a Hopi Native American from the Water Clan and Galactic Ambassador of the World Indigenous tribes. He serves humanity through his messages of understanding, respect, peace and care for our Mother Earth.

Another ad for the film says:
http://www.mathaeser.de/mm/film/44834000012PLXMQDD.php

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David Miller is the founder of a movement which not only aim at personal healing with meditation, but at healing the earth. Pepper Lewis is specialised in channeling, Hopi Ruben Saufkie Sr., a spiritual leader not only of this own tribe. […] All protagonists try and communicate more harmony for people's own life and more of a sense of responsibility for their planet.

Pepper Lewis BTW happens to be a 'global advisor' of Karin Tag's Council of World Elders.


Saufkie seems to have combined these promotion tours with doing a few seminars in Germany and Switzerland – e.g.:
http://www.adamis.ch/das-blaue-juwel.html

Workshop April 15, 2012

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Workshop with the chief characters from the film „The Blue Jewel“
„How do I become a planetary healer?“
The workshop with practical instruction for building Planetary Light Cities, practice in bio-relativity. Taking up personal and direct contacts with earth as well as the issue of personal healing of inner wounds will be in the foreground.

Fee: € 80 when booking in advance, box office: € 90

Another seminar already taking place in 2011:

http://www.heil-verzeichnis.de/seminare/workshop-mit-ruben-saufkie-sen-7785/

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Workshop with Ruben Saufkie sen
Seminar August 27, 2011
[…] As an ambassador of his culture, the Hopi culture, he [Ruben M. Saufkie sen.] will share his knowledge and experience during a two-day workshop.
Ruben M. Saufkie participated in two historic runs of the Hopi. As a coordinator of the H2opi Run from Arizona to Mexico City (2006) he pointed out the importance of Mother Earth and of water as a source of life which was given to us by earth.
The second was a fire run from Mexico City to the land of the Hopi Indians (2007) and has been co-organised by Ruben M. Saufkie. He also champions for the Indian traditions of Hopi youths and teaches abstinence from alcohol and the values of teachings, wisdoms, and traditions of the Hopi.

Ruben M. Saufkie sen., dancer and singer of the Hopi Water Clan, will offer the following during these two days:
he will share some trad. songs with us
he will bring us the knowledge of the elders (in form of a film)
he will tell us about life and traditions of the Hopi
he will point out the consciousness regarding Mother Earth
he will answer many questions in an active exchange („talking circle“)
he will speak on the importance of personal transformation and its far-reaching consequences
he will speak on the change of times
he will bring some of his home-made jewelry which are up for sale
he will speak on his personal experience in life and his spiritual experience etc.

He says we will have the opportunity to make our hearts beat as one during the exchange and thus will be able to better understand the message of „Eagle and Condor“.

Time: Aug 27, 2011 – 11 a.m. to 6 pm
Aug 28, 2011 – 10 am to 5 pm
(lunch break 1 hr 30 minutes per day)

In 2012, Saufkie participated in the second Congress of CoWE and gets mentioned in a report on the congress published on the Council website:

http://www.council-of-world-elders.de/de/kongresse/2-kongress-2012-bericht/

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Report on the second Congress of Council of World Elders 2012
On September 29 and 30, 2012, the second Congress of Council of World Elders took place in the town of Bad Homburg near Frankfort. Among the world elders present was, besides Karin Tag, the founder of the CoWE and its president, Hunbatz Men, Maya priest from Chichén Iza [sic], Mexico, Galsan Tschinag, Tuwa tribal leader and shaman from Mongolia, Dr Masaru Emoto, water researcher from Japan, Mohan Rai, shaman from Nepal, Swami Isa, a yogi from India and Coco Vizcarra, Inca from Peru, as members of the CoWE. [...]
The evening event was opened by the Hopi Indians with a water ceremony. Ruben and Jordan Saufkie, representing the younger generation of Hopi in the Council, presented the so-called Eagle Dance in the Hopi tradition and blessed the place and the persons present with water from a sacred well in Arizona which they had brought along to Bad Homburg. Jordan Saufkie, Ruben Saufkie's son, danced a ritual dance on the stage wearing a traditional feather ornament.

Another Swiss site gives some more info on his activities in Europe:

http://www.path-of-vision.ch/g%C3%A4ste--guests-2011-2014.php

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Ruben Saufkie sr. & Jordan Saufkie

As ambassadors of his culture, the Hopi culture, he visited Switzerland in 2011 and 2012 (in 2012 with his son Jordan Saufkie) to share his knowledge during lectures, workshops, and musical events. [...]

Lorna Joseph
2013 Ruben Saufkie couldn't take part at the Unity Gathering, so we had the great joy and honour meeting his mother in law, Lorna Joseph.
She shared her wisdom with us about the role of Hopi women, shared a dance with us, in which we all took part and shared prayers during the ceremonies.
We all hope meeting her soon again!
[English translation provided on website]

http://www.centrelothlorien.com/pagina-duits.html

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HOPI CEREMONIES AND WORKSHOPS August 16-23

Ruben Saufkie from the waterclan of the Hopi Nation is coming to Lothlorien together with his wife Barbara and daughter Paavenqa for a week with female energy and spirit:
Water Maiden Dance, ceremony for Mother Earth, Medicin Wheel and healing workshops.

Price for the week € 225,- + room, caravan or camping and if you wish meals at the Chateau (prices see below)
Participation for 1 morning € 50,-

Saufkie also cooperated with Tag in seminars:

http://www.ava-minatti.at/dateien/newsletter17.pdf

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Karin Tag and crystal skull Corazon de Luz meet Hopi Ruben Saufkie: Together they will celebrate a ceremony for the heart opening of Europe, the healing of earth, and world peace. Activating self-healing powers and the tradition of Hopi rituals will be in the focus of this intensive seminar.
Friday, Oct 29:
Individual appointments: € 220
Sunday, Oct 31:
2 pm to 4 pm: heart opening of Europe, healing the earth, and world peace € 80
Monday and Tuesday, Nov 1-2: 10 am – 5 pm
Intensive Seminar € 550 [...]

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Re: Ruben Saufkie Sr.
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2014, 04:20:03 pm »

The 2009 event mentioned in the article milehigh copied is also described in another report I found online. It was written by a German participant who also mentions some of the plastics presented at this event.
Unfortunately, the thing is a long rant, including her touristic activities and trips to various places, so I don't quite feel inclined to do a complete translation – I just picked out the names of the frauds she mentions.

The lady also renders her health status in some detail. Apparently she arrived for the event with a nice case of the runs – which did not keep her from attending meetings with many participants although she felt so bad that most of the activities simply passed her by. But one has to admire her recklessness distributing her germs in a huge audience. Of course she never mentions whether she caused an epidemic among participants and plastics, but with her describing lots of huggings going on, we may be confident she did.

Another aspect she just touches briefly is the conflict caused by the event, as apparently the Hopi nation had quite some criticism. It also gets apparent that the event organisers did not give as much as a flying one for the thoughts of the Hopi on their doings.


http://www.indalosia.de/PDF-Files/Reisebericht%20-%20THE%20RETURN%20OF%20THE%20ANCESTORS.pdf

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Report on „The Return of the Ancestors Gathering“
Northern Arizona, April 18 – 28, 2009
©Christiane Biebl, Mai 2009 / Lawrence, Neuseeland

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Another highlight was the Inuit shaman from the roof of the world. He had a large membrane (apparently an animal skin) which he held next to his head to amplify his voice.

Actually, the metaphor of „the roof of the world“ is used in German language, too, and same as the English one, usually describes the Himalayan Mountains which aren't exactly round the corner from Greenland.
From the description, this seems to be Jens Lyberth aka Angaangaq.

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When the Condor Dancers (descendants from the Incas] performed, they opened the hearts of the people wide, and there is a flood of love and affection coming from these five siblings

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heart meditation of Drunvalo
i.e. Bernard Perona aka Drunvalo Melchisedek.

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fire ceremony


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April 19 / 1 – Tijaax – Etznab - (flint )

Next on the programme is the pipe ceremony. I had been able to talk to Adam Yellow Bird briefly in the morning […]. Us pipe keepers will thus be called into the innermost circle, women on the one hand, men on the other. David Swallow, a Lakota medicine man, leads the ceremony and leaves no doubt that this may not be recorded by anybody! We unpack our pipes (approx 30!!!) and place them before us. […] Then the Powwow Drum starts playing and the men sing the song sung during the filling of the pipe.


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Larry Running Turtle

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it's the Mayas' turn with a candle ceremony

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The afternoon is quite diversified. The representative of the Havasupai (who live at the bottom of Grand Canyon) gives an impressive lecture on the „Rock People“ who are at home in this region. He must have a large wardrobe full of choice costumes since he delighted us with a new outfit per day. His headdress was exciting: his skull was shaved clean with just a little wisp of hair to which he fastened countless feathers, sometimes he wore a hat or a fancy cap, sometimes just one feather. Apart from his looks, I thought he was very clear and deeply rooted in his culture of which he told us.
Then a crystal buddha head was placed in the circle which had been brought by a man from Peru who got it from India. (The Maya own 13 ancient crystal skulls which meanwhile all reappeared.)

From a later entry in the report it is apparent that the Havasupai was James Uqualla whom we already got a thread on.

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Grandmother Margerita from Mexico

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Don Alejandro


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April / 3 – Ajpuu – Ahau - (ancestors)

Tlakaelel, a Toltek well advanced in years …

A man from the Kero [sic] from Peru enters the circle. […]

From 5 pm, there are sweatlodges, so that we have got enough time to buy a sleeveless shirt and a towel. For me it is the chance to experience a genuine Lakota sweatlodge once again. But without being aware of it!, I joined the queue for the Buffalo Rib Lodge with its opening to the west: its leader is a heyoka!


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22. April / 4 – Imox – Imix - (crocodile)

Don Alejandro and his wife Elizabeth Araujo

… a huge Maya fire ceremony with candle sacrifice ...



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24. April / 6 - Ak'ab'al - Akbal - (Nacht)

Uqualla from the Havasupai



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26. April / 8 – Kaan – Chikchan – (serpent)

… when I told him [Don Alejandro, transl. Note] that I was a student of Barbara Hand Clow and Carl Calleman, he brushed aside all „white“ contributions to the understanding of the Maya calendar ...


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28. April / 10 - Kiej - Manik - (deer)

… Grey Wolf, a young Lakota ….
He relit the fire in the centre again as he thought it had a bad energy. He thinks that the ICA with Adam Yellowbird wasn't as spiritual as it seems. „They got millions!“


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Re: Ruben Saufkie Sr.
« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2016, 05:14:40 pm »
this man is active again in Europe...
http://www.artoftransition.org/4worlds

One of my friends started a discussion on facebook about Ruben cs.
https://www.facebook.com/events/1736087193335822/permalink/1736112663333275/

Is there any proof that will stand up in court, this guy is a fraud?







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Re: Ruben Saufkie Sr.
« Reply #6 on: May 24, 2016, 07:09:55 pm »
There's the word of Hopi elders. In a less racist world, the word of spiritual elders that someone is not who they claim would be enough. If the Catholic Church, or any church, synagogue, or mosque, said "He is an imposter," that would be enough. But American and European courts and people constantly make excuses or throw up their hands.

Saufkie is ceremony selling in New Zealand at a yoga retreat or festival.
http://sacredearth.nz/Presenters/ruben-saufkie-sr/

The site has contact information. I suggest some emails will hopefully get them to reconsider.

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Kawai Purapura Retreat Centre, 14 Mills Lane, Albany, North Shore, Auckland
Email: festivals@kawaipurapura.co.nz

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Re: Ruben Saufkie Sr.
« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2016, 11:14:22 am »
Is it clear whether he's a fraud or not? His familymembers (Barbara Saufkie and Lorna Joseph), will be talking about their culture on a Dutch festival. It doesn't seem like they'll be preforming rituals. http://www.eigenwijsfestival.nl/index.php/workshops-en-lezingen/197-hopi-sisters

Who can tell me if they are legit?

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Re: Ruben Saufkie Sr.
« Reply #8 on: June 14, 2016, 08:05:48 am »
They are performing 'ceremony' as well. I now of a ' sacred water ceremony' on the beach in Scheveningen.
Interesting that ladies from Arizona know how to perform a ceremony for the sea, isn't it?

They did another 'water ceremony' in Dalfsen and ..... very very intriguing ... a 'Hopi taco ceremony' honoring the men  :o


Somehow I don't feel the need to ask if these ladies are legit ;)

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Re: Ruben Saufkie Sr.
« Reply #9 on: June 14, 2016, 08:11:47 am »
I forgot to mention the fire walk on Sunday.  :D

Here's a link to one of the events on Facebook. All in Dutch I'm afraid.
https://www.facebook.com/events/1747007105584178/?active_tab=highlights