Author Topic: Four Quarters Farm Interfaith, Rainbows of Healing, Valarie & Ian Haag  (Read 19573 times)

Offline educatedindian

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Pennsylvania pagans claiming to do sweats "in the Navajo tradition." Guardian did a fluff piece photo shoot.
http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2015/may/08/prayers-in-the-sweat-lodge-americas-250-acre-sanctuary-for-liberals-in-pictures?CMP=share_btn_fb

Navajo claim here.
https://www.4qf.org/earth-spirit/sweat-lodge-teachings
I really doubt the claim for, among other reasons, they specifically say women on their moon time ARE welcome to take part.

Here they claim to be modeled on the Amish.
https://www.4qf.org/community/membership-in-the-church

The biggest problem is their half assed use of sweats. They seem to be run by this less than confidence inspiring couple.
http://rainbowsofhealing.com/valarieian/

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Re: Four Quarters Interfaith, Rainbows of Healing, Valarie & Ian Haag
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2015, 05:25:12 pm »
Four Quarters is hosting an event, I've uploaded the flyer here.

In comments regarding the image:

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your appropriation of native american tradition is disrespectful. i am sure you don't mean it that way, but it is. please consider changing your logo/image.

https://www.facebook.com/events/1563295017244188/

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Re: Four Quarters Interfaith, Rainbows of Healing, Valarie & Ian Haag
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2015, 05:27:22 pm »
Pennsylvania corporation info:

Name   Name Type
FOUR QUARTERS INTERFAITH SANCTUARY OF EARTH RELIGION   Current Name
Non-Profit (Non Stock) - Domestic - Information
Entity Number:   2933329
Status:   Active
Entity Creation Date:   3/30/2000
State of Business.:   PA
Registered Office Address:   190 WALKER LANE
ARTEMAS PA 17211-0
Bedford

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Re: Four Quarters Interfaith, Rainbows of Healing, Valarie & Ian Haag
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2015, 05:50:23 pm »
This .pdf looks fascinating, in this court record Four Quarters details how they use their land and their tax exemption requests.

http://www.pacourts.us/assets/opinions/Commonwealth/out/1963CD13_9-16-14.pdf

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Re: Four Quarters Interfaith, Rainbows of Healing, Valarie & Ian Haag
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2015, 06:57:43 pm »
Some gleanings from that pdf. from June 2014 Pennsylvania court case concerning taxes:

Organization has 350 members

Oren Whiddon is the only member who lives near the property

other named witnesses include Roger Grandstaff, Professor Alan Shear, Thomas Williams

the property includes areas named Labyrinth, Stone Circle, Sweat Lodge, Fox Altar

every three years or so a ceremony known as the "North Cliff Walk" is done, this walk is done on a three foot wide path carved out of the cliff face, Whiddon testified that the ceremony is used to evoke a "psycho-emotive" experience for the members

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Re: Four Quarters Interfaith, Rainbows of Healing, Valarie & Ian Haag
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2015, 07:05:33 pm »
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The Neopagan movement in America has always had a most interesting relationship with the spiritual pathways of Traditional Native American ceremony. We have a lot in common; but sometimes the cultural gap can be a significant and difficult obstacle.

Be that as it may, there are many Native practices that have established themselves firmly in the many paths of Earth Religion now practiced in the New World. The Drum, Smudging, the Sweat Lodge and Vision Quest come immediately to mind. I truly suspect that most of these ceremonial techniques are universal to indigenous traditions worldwide, but have been kept most accessible for us by First Nations people of the New World.

Some Native people look suspiciously at Pagan folk, who they sometimes perceive as having lifted selected bits of their religion and practice it in a distorted way; like coyotes and raccoons stealing shiny bits from their yards. From their viewpoint, European invaders have stolen literally everything else in their world; land, livelihood, sacred grounds, game, resources, their language and even children, and here they come for their religion. They come by their suspicion honestly. What the key problem seems to be is that any religion, taken out of its cultural context, is largely without meaning. Which is where many non-native people can lose track.
When people ask to be introduced to the Red Road, I usually give them Black Elk Speaks to read. It’s a wonderful introduction to the Lakota world and a very inspiring and beautiful story. Even before the “glow” fades, I point them at Dee Brown’s Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee. They come back with tears in their eyes. But you have to know the violent, humbling history and context of Native America to have a sense of where native peoples are coming from.

In no other area has there been more noise and misunderstanding than the subject of supporting and “paying” for ceremony, and the slippery distinction between the two. People in the mainstream are accustomed to paying for literally everything; from basic needs, to entertainment, to their spiritual growth. The New Age movement perpetrated a vast array of off ensive practices on, for the most part, unknowing and spiritually hungry seekers.

Many unscrupulous individuals, Native and non-Native alike, charged stunning fees for sharing what they knew, or didn’t know. These people have been roundly criticized as “Plastic Medicine Men.”

Compare that to the bizarre attitude of some parts of the “Pagan Scene” where people are unwilling to kick in $10 for the rental of ritual space, or a rehearsal room. These same folk might casually drop $25 a person for the cover charge at the Goth dance club the night before. Incomprehensible.

The tradition shared by most spiritual paths essentially states, “ There is never a charge to participate in ritual or ceremony.” But in the real world, there are legitimate logistic costs to putting up ritual and ceremony, especially large-scale ones. Even for Sweat Lodge, something as simple as firewood can be a heavy cost. While facilitators of ceremony are unpaid for their spiritual service, they still need to live. They have travel costs, and human needs like food and shelter. They invest heavily in both time and personal resources to do what they are called to do. In traditional village society, it was considered right and proper from time to time, to bring a deer to the Medicine Person’s lodge. So a little gas for his trip is not out of place. Seeing that the elders are fed and taken care of is proper and expected.

In and of itself, money is not evil. We sometimes use the phrase “green energy” to remind ourselves that currency is just energy we can exchange for goods and services at Wal-Mart. In the Native world, there is a strong tradition of Wopila, Give-away. Not only to support those in need, but also to show gratitude, and off er thanks to both the community and to Grandfather Great Spirit, Tunkashila Wakan Tanka for the good things and people in your life and blessings received. So we say, pilamaye.

Blessedly, the People of Four Quarters understand what it takes to support ritual and ceremony. One of the reasons I treasure this very special tribe is that I find its arms are wide for a hug, with sleeves rolled up to work. And we’re always willing to work very hard for something precious we value. We are going to be doing something hard and precious, grand, difficult and very sacred this summer on the Land. It will take, like everything worth doing, hands and heart and sweat and sacrifice. We welcome and thank each and every one of you.

Mitaquye oyasin. All my relations. Pilamaye!

https://www.4qf.org/earth-spirit/earth-spirit-archives/native-american-traditions/63-supporting-ceremony-crossing-the-cultural-divide

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Buffalo Heart Sweat Lodge
The place for your questions about Sweat Lodge Traditions at Four Quarters.
https://www.4qf.org/forum/index

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Re: Four Quarters Interfaith, Rainbows of Healing, Valarie & Ian Haag
« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2015, 10:48:46 pm »
Wow. ^^^

So they think white tears makes it OK for them to keep stealing? That reading exploitative books by non-Natives makes it all better? They steal their fantasy versions of the ceremonies, then steal some bad attempts at Lakota to lie about it some more.

So, they know they're stealing. But they just don't care.  They know they're selling ceremonies. But they just don't care.

I used to know some white people who went to gatherings at that place. There. Are. No. NATIVES. There. It's a bunch of white people who learned a few things from books full of misinformation. They cover their fake lodges with plastic tarps. Some even use heavy-gauge plastic sheeting so the structure is completely airtight.  The hippies only put on bathing suits for that photo op; in actuality, there are naked men and women in the same thing together. People have even found used condoms in their fake lodges, so we know what some of those white people are doing in there.

There are no Natives there. None. BUT, what they love to do is find anyone, no matter how white, who claims some heritage. Then they reinvent that person as their token Native. The white person usually is glad for the attention and plays along. Next you know you've got them claiming they have "Native-led Lodges" - but it's still just a bunch of naked white people in a plastic tent, howling vocables and mangled attempts at Lakota.

There are going to be more deaths. Just like James Ray. They won't pay as much money, but they'll still pay with their lives.

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More details from their website footer about the names they are incorporated under:

Four Quarters Interfaith Sanctuary 190 Walker Lane Artemas PA 17211 USA 814-784-3080 office@4qf.org
Incorporated in the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania as an InterFaith Non-Denominational Church, Monastery and Spiritual Retreat Center.
All donations fully tax deductible as allowed by law. PA EXMP 75-538-546 FED EIN 25-1853964
© 1995-2014 The Church of Four Quarters™, Four Quarters™ and Four Quarters Farm™

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Why do they have to use Lakota words use pagan word nt my language for these people who corrupt the world
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This article describes them as technophobes preparing for the collapse of society.

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http://transitionvoice.com/2012/06/give-me-that-doom-time-religion/
....I wasn’t able to understand exactly what Orren Whiddon did with computers between the time he read The Limits to Growth in the seventies and when he dropped out of the corporate rat race in the mid-nineties to buy the 180 acres of Allegheny mountain shell flats in an isolated area of south-central Pennsylvania that would become the Four Quarters Interfaith Sanctuary, a campground able to host a couple hundred visitors.

A solid man more than six feet tall dressed in jeans held up by leather suspenders and sporting a prophetic beard, Whiddon looks as unlike a corporate vice president from Office Space as you can imagine. These days he’s more about low-tech, refusing to open a Facebook account while encouraging Four Quarters visitors to turn off their smart phones and enjoy a technology fast while they’re his guests.

Whiddon, who traces his family roots back to Texas in the 1780s, is a practical visionary, but less like Steve Jobs than Moses with a bit of Sam Houston thrown in. Drawing inspiration from the “plain people,” Christian Anabaptist groups like the Amish and Old Order Mennonites who consciously decided to drop out of a mainstream society they saw as corrupt, Whiddon has a plan for his self-described “hippie church” to become a force for peak oil resilience in a sea of complacent but doomed consumers.

Just like Jesus Camp but without the Jesus part (or the cultish brainwashing), Four Quarters is in fact registered for tax purposes as a non-profit religious congregation.

Its grounds are an open-air church hosting installations across the usual range of New Age spirituality, from a shrine to Ganesh, to a sweat lodge, to what appears to be a life-sized recreation of a Stonehenge-type druid stone circle. Along with regular services to mark new moons, Beltane and other spiritual days, throughout the camping season the center offers programs such as “SpiralHeart Reclaiming,” “The Body Tribal” and “Drum & Splash.”

But there’s nothing touchy-feely about the way Whiddon and his board runs Four Quarters. After an initial trial period, full-time residents are required to live under strict rules, including the merging of their finances, in a lifestyle that Whiddon calls monastic and which requires a commitment to an ascetic counter-cultural lifestyle that hearkens back to Whiddon’s other inspirations, the Benedictine brothers and the Buddhist sangha.

Doom with a view

The center’s mission, aside from providing support for “Earth-based religions,” is similarly straight-edge: to help prepare for the collapse of industrial society by serving as a “lifeboat” for eight or ten residents on site while spreading the gospel of peak oil prep to a larger audience through conferences like this one.

Accordingly, Whiddon has made many plans for the peak-ocalypse, including starting ventures on site that will make money today and may also serve a much lower tech economy in case today’s money economy becomes only a memory in the future.

Four Quarters’ first business is a winery that produces half a dozen different flavors of mead, a mostly-sweet alcoholic drink made from honey which staff generously served up during evening social events.

The center’s second venture, a machine shop outfitted with solid American-made metal presses from the mid-twentieth century, has begun to meet local demand for spare machine parts. Residents have already started on the center’s next business, a large greenhouse.

In the future, Whiddon thinks the greenhouse will feed the residents while the other businesses will offer goods for trade. The machine shop could help Four Quarters’ mountain neighbors, already well provisioned with firearms, to keep their rifles and shotguns in working order after repair parts stop coming in from Asia. And of course, there’s always a market for wine, especially when times are tough.

In a part of the country that hosted the Whiskey Rebellion just after the American Revolution, Whiddon predicts that booze and guns will be a winning strategy for a future economy that could be something like it was in George Washington’s day.

Meet me at the river

Even before signups for the event nearly doubled Whiddon’s projections and helped the conference to break even financially, Four Quarters had committed to holding two future annual events along the same lines.

Next year’s event, Whiddon told me, will focus even more on solutions and practical activities that people can undertake in their own communities to prepare for the changes of the next twenty years....

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In order to leave a sweat lodge you have to say "Limitations".

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If you are feeling too hot in the lodge get down close to cool Mother Earth and breathe.  If you find yourself uncomfortable in the lodge for any reason, you may leave – just say “Limitations”

https://www.4qf.org/earth-spirit/sweat-lodge-teachings

One of the donations they request for sweat lodges are tarps.

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In order to leave a sweat lodge you have to say "Limitations".

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If you are feeling too hot in the lodge get down close to cool Mother Earth and breathe.  If you find yourself uncomfortable in the lodge for any reason, you may leave – just say “Limitations”

https://www.4qf.org/earth-spirit/sweat-lodge-teachings

One of the donations they request for sweat lodges are tarps.
So now sweat lodges have safe words. LOL That is hilarious.
I came here for the popcorn and stayed for the slaying of pretenders.

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Why do they have to use Lakota words use pagan word nt my language for these people who corrupt the world

Because there aren't real pagan words for fake NDN ceremonies.

Offline wolfhawaii

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So if someone is ready to pass out, they can't get out until they "say" it??!! Sounds like a recipe for disaster, James Ray all over again.

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At the sweats I've been to (several different tribal traditions) usually all you gotta say is "OPEN THE DOOR, PLEASE" to the doorman and that's it. I don't get what all that hokey stuff is about. This isn't a BDSM session.
I came here for the popcorn and stayed for the slaying of pretenders.