Arthur Sonier/Medicine Eagle

[educatedindian]

Closing one of his groups because it's dead, nothing happening in it. I'd call this a win for us and groups like ICARE and AIM. He's pretty isolated now.

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Arthurs_Group@yahoogroups.com
From: "Arthur Medicine Eagle/Sonier" <arthurmedicineeagle@hotmail.com>
Date: Wed, 10 Nov 2004 10:52:59 -0000
Subject: [Arthurs_Group] Closing Group

The groups I suggest relocating to are as follows.

EAGLES_FLY-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
WALKING_THE_PATH-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
COUNCILFIRE-subscribe@yahoogroups.com
american_indians_news_source_tulanappes_list-subscribe@yahoogroups.com

Arthur

[TimberlineWarrior]

I have been watching Eagles_Fly for a while and these are the recent posts...
This was the first.......................

> I promised to tell you some about the lecture I attended in a
neighbour city on Sunday June 12th.
>
> Time is flying...  and during some days now I have not had enough
of time for the PC and the Internet.  So, instead of postponing this
by waiting for the right time to come to be able to tell
you "properly", I am writing now and writing only a little.  Hope
you agree with that. :-)
>
> The Native American who gave this lecture was Dr. Al Carroll,
Mescalero Apache.  He will be touring Europe for some 2 months.  He
started out in England, and then arrived in Sweden.
>
> I think he was a really nice guy, and he had very interesting
things to tell us about the ways of the Native Americans - and the
Native American way of seeing some things.  And about "fraude
shamans, and similar "things".
>
> It would be really great if he would be able to come back here, to
Sweden, next year  -  then I hope to be in better health myself, and
be able to arrange for him to give a lecture in my hometown too.  
We'll see about that.
>
> Al gave us these URLs, to sites that are his or that he
is "involved" in.  Unfortunately I have not yet had the time to
visit them, so I can't tell you very much about the contents. :-)  
Maybe you could visit and check them out yourselves?  I'll do it
myself as soon as I can focus enough to go through them. :-)
>
> http://www.nafps.net/
> http://newagefraud.org/cgi-bin/forum/YaBB.cgi
> http://users.pandora.be/gohiyuhi/index.htm
>
> For me it was also great to get out of my apartment and see
something else!!  I am still not well enough to drive my car very
much.  I am too mentally fatigue, for one thing.
>
> I hope you will find the websites interesting!
>
> Peace & Light,
> Marie

Arthur replied.................

The links you posted at the end of this article have named me as a
fraud and phoney. I asked them to prove what they claim and to this
date they cannot.What miffs some people off is I get things done and
they sit on their butts letting the day pass. If anyone is a fraud
it is those who choose to do witch hunting and claim they are more
Indian than others. They also make the rules as they go. Keep an
open mind and do not believe all you see on those links. The person
who did the links resides in Europe and has no idea who she is
speaking about except by hearsay and gossip!.
Arthur

This has generated the following.....................

Hi Arthur i agree with your words i have seen that about you months ago
and I know they were wrong then in what they said. So much bad gossip i
know i have gone through that myself we that are pushed on can look up
to the Creator and say "The Creator Knows" :-)
Love ~~~> Jeanne ~Butterfly Dancer~

Oh, dear...  I feel stupid...  I did not know.  One reason is that I have
not yet gone through those websites.  Another reason is that I would never
have expected to find your name in such a matter.  I am sorry about this,
and I hope that I have not offended you by sending my message and the links.
What I felt was important with that lecture was to be told about "real"
fraudes that are travelling in Sweden as well as in other European
ountries  -  claiming to be Indians, shamans, or what they might call
themselves, and having people pay a lot of money for fraud healing,
incorrect and dangerous sweat lodges, deluding people to be naked, deluding
people into sex, and more.  That was one part of the lecture, and I was
upset to hear about that.
With respect,
Marie

Hi Marie not your fault if you knew this you would of not posted it i am
sure Arthur knows this.Arthur just wanted to make it clear that this is
not true.
Love ~~~~~> Jeanne ~Butterfly Dancer~

When you are not the real thing you have to attack the real thing...happens everywhere all the time.  They are afraid of Arthur because he is everything he claims to be and they feel threatened by him...Men like Arthur make them inferior no matter how hard they try to not be.  They are only harming their own people when they attack him....You had no idea, so please don't feel bad.  I know Arthur personally and he a true Indian...His heart is good and he works very hard for the people, all these people have done is make it harder for him to help...Don't worry Marie, we know you had no idea what was there.
Love and Hugs,
Strong Heart  aka  Melinda

I'll keep people posted of any new mail

^. .^

[Barnaby_McEwan]

That's so funny! Thanks for sharing that with us, as they say.

[180IQ]

Al is giving out a needlessly complex URL for this forum. All you need to get here is http://newagefraud.org/forum

[TimberlineWarrior]

the latest postings...   i.e. the saga continues

Put your heart to rest Marie, and know all is alright.
I agree with Strong Heart Woman, these kind of peoples attack another when they are not real themselves, always making it hard for another who is true, to do the work they intend to do for the people. I have seen other good men, and women attacked in this way. It is sad that it happens. I have been around here for a long time, not always speaking, but from what I hear through words, and what I see happening...I know that Arthur has a good heart.
Love to you Marie,
Whispering Tears

Marie,
I know you as a Sister and not a stupid person. You posted in
innocence and your heart is in a good place. I am not upset at you
nor anyone else. That stuff is floating around all over the place.
Yet it surprises people when they meet me because they always
apologize saying they had no idea. I am not a tyrant I just posted a
reply so people could keep an open mind. There are many people
across the great nation, canada, central and south america who know
and respect me and what i do. I used to fight with the people on the
links but Elders kept telling me to fight the jerks is a waste of
precious time. I let the dogs bark and one day maybe they will
realize that the parade goes on with or without them.
Arthur

WOOF WOOF!!
^. .^

[educatedindian]

Whats laugh out loud funny is that Sonier cant point to a single thing hes done. His club is pretty dead, and another incarnation he killed off because no one was posting in it but him. His current one is mostly Messages of the Day, little homilies that are all over the net.
And most of his club members are PODIAs (People of Distant Indian Ancestry) who mistake a white imposter wearing a Roman toga like Sonier for the real thing.

They are right one about one thing. Those who dont do anything tear down those who do, and theyre doing just that themselves.

[Barnaby_McEwan]

Here is my address Come on over Coward.

Are you going to beat up everyone who says you're a fake?

[Stong_Heart_Woman]

Ahhh here is where I have seen my name, and post from another group.  I invite you now to prove these discredits.  #1 who am I?  #2 your claims against Arthur  not with your words, but document what you all have said.  #3 what have you done for your people, and don't say expose frauds.  The internet is full of frauds...I could point out a large number myself.  Have been so unnerved by the many sites myself...I will make no judgement till I have heard your words.  A person's heart is revealed through their words...I will listen for a while to your hearts.

[TimberlineWarrior]

This was in my mail box on return from the Pow wow today.
If he has nothing to hide, surely then he will allow his words to be heard to convert the sceptics?

You are no longer welcome and do not try any other names because I have your number. Too bad you have to act like a thief in the night and hypocriticaly come forth acting as a person who is interested and then post other peoples stuff elsewhere. I do not care about my posts because I overlook your ignorance and ego and know my
shoulders are much wider than you could ever imagine.. You are a very immature individual. I hope and pray you find what it is that you seek.
Arthur

[Barnaby_McEwan]

Ahhh here is where I have seen my name, and post from another group.  I invite you now to prove these discredits.  #1 who am I?

I don't know if you're addressing me but since you ask,  I think you're Melinda Graham:

http://www.geocities.com/strongheartwoman03/StrongHeartWomanHomepage.html

http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:rMJqJPHWh-IJ:groups.msn.com/WeWhoAreWithoutAClan/memberprofiles.msnw+melinda+%22strong+heart+woman%22&hl=en

I don't know why you call yourself after a character from one of Anne Cameron's books, which is allegedly based on Cree culture.

http://www.yvwiiusdinvnohii.net/Bookstore/NAI-Fiction.htm

This guess is based on a simple Google search, revealing information which you put in the public domain yourself, so don't get paranoid. If I'm wrong, do say so.

#2 your claims against Arthur  not with your words, but document what you all have said.

It's already been done:

http://users.pandora.be/gohiyuhi/nafps/articles/art11.htm

#3 what have you done for your people, and don't say expose frauds.

I'm not Indian myself but am proud to have recently been involved in a small way with Al's European lecture tour, which so far has raised close to $6000 for Albuquerque Indian Center. Your turn.

I will make no judgement till I have heard your words.  A person's heart is revealed through their words...I will listen for a while to your hearts.

Your opinion of my heart, good or bad, will not change the facts in any way.

[Barnaby_McEwan]

Did Arthur ever claim to be a member of any of these tribes?

Something made them all want to dissociate themselves from him: what was that? Are they perhaps all out to get Artie?

Until the act was completed no one wanted to take the time to do the reburial of the ancestors, and it hasnt been proven whose ancestors they were...so who can say a wrong was done.

This response just beggars belief, and it speaks volumes that you are saying this rather than Sonier, who likes to call other people cowards, saying it himself.

In the time I have know Arthur, he has never claimed to be a medicine man...That he has the given name of Arthur "Medicine Eagle" doesn't say anything about a claim to be.

He pretends, or perhaps believes, that he's Indian and can conduct ceremonies, allowing gullible people to believe that too.

[educatedindian]

Its the same old tedious denial by Soniers fan club. Show them proof, over and over they bleat away sheeplike, Wheres the proof?

None of their denials change basic facts:

Sonier claimed to be MicMaq, none of the Micmaq ever heard of him. Hes a white imposter wearing a silly looking Roman toga in his photos.

He uses the same phony Nuage name used by two other Nuage frauds and endorses and defends Nuage frauds like Rainbow Eagle and M? nataka.

He tried to set himself up as a Nuage spirituality leader and got cut off at the knees by ICARE and AIM Ohio/KY.

He desecrated Native ancestors remains by doing a phony ceremony he had no right to do. That is a new low, even for Nuage charlatans.

And now that he´s isolated and no one will work with him except his last five or six hardcore groupies, he hides out in an unlisted yahoo group and sends them here to whine on his behalf. That any woman would defend him after his long history of abusive treatment of his women critics says volumes about their own low self esteem.

So end your whining and go back to being his groupies hiding away in unlisted groups. Some of us have real work to do, something Sonier has never done, only self serving hot air.

[Stong_Heart_Woman]

Removing me from the group will only serve to prove you are afraid, so please do that too....

[debbieredbear]

Why don't you grow up? You and Arthur both come off as childish.

[educatedindian]

I see SHW has learned the whole phony martyr the-whole-world-is-so-cruel-to-me bit from Sonier.

SHW has also learned Tontospeak from Sonier, and hypocrisy.

So lets see, spamming over and over and trolling like a 12 year old, phony martyrdom, abusive language, shouting by posting in all caps, and of course living in denial no matter how many times you show her proof.

Yep, shes truly a Sonier clone. Anyone see any reason to indulge these wannabes anymore?