These are my responses to her.
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Hello,
It is unclear what, exactly, you are alleging is defamatory. Some of the comments are critical, but that is certainly not the same.
Could you be more specific about your claims? We frequently receive empty threats of legal action from those unhappy about being criticized. In its more than ten years of existence, not once have any of those threats ever been carried out. Not once has anyone ever shown us to have defamed a person or their character.
Before we could remove any allegedly defamatory material, we would need to know more specifics than simply someone not liking what was said about them. Can you point to anything on the thread that is false?
Can you also provide proof of the claims you make on your own website?:
If you wish for us to post a statement from you giving your side of the story, we are more than happy to do so.
You are also welcome to join and post such a message yourself. We welcome all efforts to provide more information to the public and enable them to make up their own minds about the persons, groups, and institutions we post about.
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Ms Nine or Ms. Martinez,
You might have a better chance of making your case if you did not repeatedly spam my email.
Once again, let me ask you, since you ignored it previously:
>>>What exactly are you alleging is "libelous"?
Kindly point to specfic statements, and explain how they are so. It does not help matters when you ignore the previous request, already sent to you, and instead spam my email.
As I explained in my previous email, under the law criticism is not the same as libel. You have been criticized, but you have yet to state why you feel the criticisms are libelous.
Once again, I repeat my previous offers: We would gladly post any statement from you, unedited in its entirety, where you may refute what has been said.
I see that you have already joined NAFPS. You may post such a statement yourself, as well as discuss with other members why you believe the criticism is wrong.
Also, any lawyer would tell you that under the Fair Use Doctrine, a site may be quoted for purposes of identification and/or critique. That is what has happened.
However, should you wish us to remove the copyrighted material, we will do so. All that will accomplish is that we will describe your site by paraphrasing what is on it.
Nowhere have I said anything about doubting that you are sincere in your beliefs. However it is quite obvious that much of what you present as Cherokee tradition is not.
I would be happy to discuss this with you at the forum. I feel the public would be best served by such a discussion being out in the open.
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This [last]message went to my spam folder, so I did not see it before writing my previous email.
Again, it would be helpful if you did not repeatedly spam this email address.
It would also be helpful, as I have stated before, if you state exactly what you feel is "libelous" and why.
You may also wish to have your facts straight before making false accusations yourself. Your address is not anywhere in the thread and never has been.
I request that further discussion between us be in public at the forum.
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My answers are within the text to be clearer what I'm responding to.
They are marked with>>>
-On Sat, 9/26/09, Pamela Nine [address deleted] wrote:
From: Pamela Nine [address deleted]
Date: Saturday, September 26, 2009, 9:48 AM
Mr. Carroll,
Thank you for responding to the emails I have sent you. My intention was was not to "spam" your email as you have said, but merely to send you notifications which were clearly stated and contained information I felt were pertinent to this matter.
>>>False. You sent multiple identical messages.
Again, for your records, my name is Pamela Nine not Pamela Martinez. Please address me as such, in the future.
>>>In some places you are listed as Pamela Nine Martinez. Is Martinez your legal and/or married name?
My statement regarding the fact that my address is clearly shown for the world to see, is related to the fact that 1. your forum lists my web site which also lists my address and personal contact information, unlike you and your forum, which works under the guise of 2. usernames instead of revealing your true identity.
>>>1. In that case you are listing your address, not us.
>>>2. We have many survivors of abuse by imposters posing as Native medicine people. Many contributors to the forum are quite open about their identity, including me. There is a whole thread talking about who I am in some detail, which is no doubt where you "discovered" me.
I do not criticize others in order to make myself or my beliefs appear superior. My way, is on the opposite end of that spectrum.
>>>No one ever said you did. But you keep avoiding the questions.
My professional background of more than two decades speaks for itself.
>>>Your background says you are qualified to do cosmetic treatments. There is nothing in your stated background which shows you know anything about Cherokee traditions. Quite the opposite.
I will not debate this issue with you, nor will I defend myself, my work and or my personal practices and beliefs to you or your forum. My time is better spent helping others to be positive, kind and loving.
>>>If you won't even say what is allegedly libelous or why, how could I possibly be expected to guess it? Unlike you, I don't claim to be psychic.
You have violated the Terms and Conditions clearly stated on my web site and have been given notice as such.
>>>That's meaningless. We are not on your website.
Please remove the forum titled, "Redman Wellness" from your site immediately and this matter will be resolved.
>>>There is no "forum" with that title. And how can we be expected to respond when you won't even answer the simplest questions?
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Oh please, I have seen many others like you before. Our website is filled with threads debunking them
What you are doing is called a cold reading. Basically it's incredibly broad claims that could be applied to anyone, from Walt Disney to Jeffrey Dahmer. As an alleged "psychic" you are very unimpressive and I don't see any sign you have ever done anything to help someone.
If you have any evidence you have ever successfuly helped with a missing child, let's see it.
May I suggest one thing? If you wish to prove your ability to be psychic, it's simple:
Go to James Randi, a leading skeptic, and prove yourself to be psychic under his testing conditions.
http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge.html I would gladly repost the results, be they positive or negative.
Since you asked to keep this email in confidence, I will do so. But the others will be posted online.
It's best if everyone knows just how bizarre and unreasonable your demands are. Truly spiritual leaders would not throw about empty threats that only show they don't know the law.
