Southern Cherokee Nation of KY?

[frederica]

They lost the trademark fight. Received their file number. Now the wait begins, some have lasted over 20 years. http://www.southerncherokeenation.net/April%20newsletter%202007                   frederica

[lostcherokee]

Thats assuming that they have really filed

[frederica]

LC, I can't find out one way or the other right now. Will check again next week. frederica

[weheli]

Ok I am a little  ::)confused here, how many Southern Cherokee Tribes, Nations, are in this thread or are they splinters off of each other, perhaps just changing their names, moving around so as to "Scam". Perhaps today my mind is "bifuddled" but these "Cherokee Tibes" mulitply faster than rabbits.   

http://www.cherokee.org/home.aspx?section=phoenix&ID=H/yXnQ2HqDo

http://www.cherokee.org/home.aspx?section=phoenix&ID=H/yXnQ2HqDo=

Even reading through these links can be confusing. There is a email address at the end of the article, I have used it to report groups.

                                                                                Weheli

[frederica]

LOL, I know. This one KY group is the one that joined the one in Okla last year, and got involved in all the chaos that was going on in that group. Then I think they quit and went back to KY if you read that letter in Oct from Manfox. Bottom line says they were dupped. Now they is one in Georgia or Carolina that has joined the group in Okla. A friend of mine says they were a hugh group. The Okla one before they were caught. And I guess they were taking in a bunch of smaller groups. None of these are recognized. Only in their own mind. A group in Arkansas tried to do the same, taking in a bunch of smaller groups, that was before she met her demise. She had stated they had put in for Federal Recognition, but it was all made up. They found out after the fact. frederica

[frederica]

Well, so far no filing noted in 2006, none through Feb 2007, may come in later if deadline was 1 May. I see the one in Ark has now filed. frederica

[lostcherokee]

here is ther online petitionand ther claims to BIA visiting and them filing
http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/712134165?ltl=1179175173#body



FEDERAL RECOGNITION FOR SOUTHER CHEROKEE NATION OF KENTUCKY

OSIYO & WA-DO,
ALL AMERICANS,
AS A TRIBAL MEMBER OF THE SOUTHERN CHEROKEE NATION OF KENTUCKY, I AM PREVILIGED TO TELL YOU ABOUT THESE HARD WORKING AMERICAN INDIANS & WHY, WE ARE ASKING FOR YOUR  SIGNATURE & HELP IN THIS LONG SOUGHT AFTER ENDEAVOR.
OUR TRIBE'S 'PROVEN' EXISTANCE IS OVER 140 YEARS. WE KNOW FROM PROFESSIONAL GEOLOGIST'SIT IS 1000'S OF YEARS & YOU ARE WELCOME TO GO TO OUR WEBSITE AND AND READ THESE PROFESSIONAL, NOTORIZED STATEMENTS, http://HTTP://SOUTHERNCHEROKEENATION.NET THE COMMONWEALTH OF KENTUCKY FIRST SIGNED A STATE RECOGNITION DOCUMENT OF OUR TRIBE IN 1893, BY GOVERNOR JOHN YOUNG BROWN. WHEN OUR WEBSITE http://HTTP://SOUTHERNCHEROKEENATION.NET HIT THE INTERNET, ALONG WITH THE DOCUMENT FROM GOVERNOR JOHN YOUNG BROWN FROM 1893 MANY SCOFFED AND CALLED US LIARS. IT WAS AN OLD DOCUEMNT, OLD WRITING, BUT, IT IS REAL. OUR HONORED CHIEF 'MANFOX' SHOWED THE 1893 STATE RECOGNITION DOCUMENT TO THE PRESENT GOVERNOR ERNIE FLETCHER, IMMEDIATELY THE GOVERNOR, WITH 2006 PAPER & WORDING RE-AFFIRMED GOVERNOR JOHN YOUNG BROWNS FIRST STATE RECOGNITION. NOW WE HAVE BEEN STATE RECOGNIZED FOR 104 YEARS.
THE BUREAU OF INDIAN AFFAIRS CAME TO OUR TRIBAL LAND. OUR HONORD 'CHIEF 'MANFOX' PREPARED OUR DOCUMENTS, PRESENTED THEM TO THE BUREAU MEMBERS WHO CAME FROM WASHINGTON, EACH & EVERY DOCUMENT WAS APPROVED. WE REC'D OUR REGISTRATION NUMBER. THAT NUMBER SIMPLY MEANS, THEY USE THE NUMBER, WHILE 'CHECKING OUR TRIBE, FOR ETHICS, CREDIBILITY, ETC.'.  I WAS TOLD BY OUR TRIBAL LEADERS, IT WILL PROBABLY TAKE 25 MONTHS, AND THEN THE BIA CAN TELL US ..NO!!!! IT CAN TAKE UP TO 30 YEARS AS WELL. WOULD  OTHER ETHNIC GROUP IN AMERICA HAVE TO WAIT THAT LONG FOR ANYTHING. DO NOT CONSIDER THAT WHINING, IT IS JUST A FACT.
WHEN ASKED ABOUT CASINO'S OUR CHIEF, SAID 'ABSOLUTEY NOT'. WE CARRY OUR ANCESTOR'S BLOOD THAT IS OUR GIFT. ANYTHING 'GIFTED' TO US AS AMERICAN INDIAN'S IS BECAUSE OF ANCESTOR'S, NOT US. WE CAN NEVER STAND IN THEIR PLACE AND SAY 'WE DESERVE' AND THIS GREAT AMERICA WILL NEVER HEAR A MEMBER OF THE SOUTHERN CHEROKEE NATION OF KENTUCKY SPEAK THOSE WORDS. WE RECEIVED THE GREATEST GIFT OF ALL 'INDIAN BLOOD'.
OUR HONORED CHIEF 'MANFOX' SERVES ON THE NATIVE AMERICAN HERITAGE COMMISSION AS VICE CHAIRMAN. HE WORKS WHENEVER HE IS ASKED, & WHENEVER HE CAN VOLUNTEER, FOR THE COMMANWEALTH OF KENTUCKY TO PRESERVE & TEACH! HE HAS TAUGHT US WELL, & CONTINES TO TEACH. HE ALSO WORKS LIKE A FULL TIME JOB LIKE MANY AMERICANS. WE EXPECT NOTHING FOR OURSELVES, FOR WE DESERVE NOTHING. OUR ANCESOR'S WANT US TO HELP ALL AMERICAN INDIAN'S. AND WE HELP NOW, WITH NO RESOURCES, JUST, MEMBERS WORKING WITH CHIEF'S HELP AND INSTRUCTION.

SOMETIME AGO AN ELDERLY MEMBER FOUGHT HIS WAY TO HIS HOME STATE OF ILLNOIS LEGISLATURE AND WORKED UNTIL THEY PASSED AMERICAN "INDIAN DAY" NO POWER, NO FORCE, NO HELP. A 79 YEAR OLD AMERICAN INDIAN, HELPING ALL AMERICAN INDIANS IN HIS HOME STATE.
THEN ONE OF OUR MEMBERS, RESIDING IN TENNESSE AND SCHEDULED FOR OPEN HEART SURGERY FIRST OF JUNE, CONTACTED THE GOVERNOR OF TENNESSEE, AND WORKED UNTIL HE GOT A PROCLAMATION FOR "AMERICAN INDIAN DAY" IN TENNESSEE.
ANOTHER MEMBER IS WORKING IN ARKANSAS FOR AMERICAN INDIAN DAY THERE, IT IS SOON TO ARRIVE.
ANOTHER MEMBER IS WORKING IN ALABAMA.
ANOTHER IS WORKING IN TEXAS WITH THE GOVERNORS OFFICE AND STATE LEGISLATORS, SHE IS MOST TIME IN A WHEEL CHAIR.

OUR SOUTHERN CHEROKEE NATION OF KENTUCKY REC'D A LETTER THIS 3RD WEEK OF APRIL 2007, STATING THAT OUR AMERICAN INDIAN DAY, WAS NEAR TO PASSING IN THE KENTUCKY LEGISLATURE.

DO WE WORK OR SIT BACK AND WHINE? IS IT ALL FOR US? ARE WE HELPING ALL NATIVE AMERICANS, AMERICAN INDIAN'S?

WE DO ALL THIS WORK, AS MEMBERS, IN ALL THESE STATES FOR ALL INDIAN'S. WE COULD JUST AS EASILY SIT BACK, DO THINGS IN KENTUCKY AND FORGET IT. HOWEVER, WE HAVE MEMBERS SCATTERED ALL OVER THIS GREAT COUNTRY, AND WE WILL WORK UNTIL WE HAVE AMERICAN INDIAN DAY, IN EACH STATE. WHY? WE CARE. DO WE MAKE MONEY FROM IT? ""NO""

WITH LOVE AND HAVE SPIRIT FOR ALL ETHNIC GROUPS, WE PLEAD WITH YOU TO STEP FORWARD, AND HELP OUR SMALL TRIBE GAIN FEDERAL RECOGNITION. IN SO DOING YOU WILL BE HELPING US OPEN SO MANY DOORS, TO HELP SO MANY MANY MANY HUMAN BEINGS.

WA-DO [THANKS]
SMOKE & PRAYERS
NO MOCCASIN WOMAN

[frederica]

lol. no wonder the BIA can't find it. frederica

[lostcherokee]

Kay Bailey Hutchison, United States Senator is who the petition is for,
she is a senator for texas
wonder if they have a petition going in any other states



Lost Cherokee

[educatedindian]

Hutchinson is not likely to listen to them. She's very conservative.

[frederica]

Why would they petition Texas if they are in Kentucky? That makes little sense. Plus some ot the tribes that have already actually filed petitions did so in the 1970's and are still waiting. Csn't see why this one would be fast-tracked. Sounds a lot like the one that was claiming the Clintons, when he was President, was going to fast-track a tribe. But it was all made up to keep the members happy. And that one had never even filed. frederica

[lostcherokee]

I know this topic is more about SCN but it seems bruce brading is tring his best to get them state rec.
So it seems fitting that this should be putt in here too.
Maybe hard to prove but worth checking into......




http://theruraldemocrat.typepad.com/the_rural_democrat/2007/03/index.html
 
Fletcher draws criticism from Native Americans
I was contacted last night by a dear Native American friend of mine from Oklahoma. He is planning on moving to Kentucky this summer but he is rethinking his move because of appointments made by Governor Fletcher in regards to a little known state commission called the Kentucky Native American Heritage Commission. The only official link is here.

Apparently Fletcher was tricked into making some new appointments to this commission. Fletcher also left off some names that has apparently pissed some people off. Some of the prominent names on this commission is Former First Lady of Kentucky Judy Patton, Rep. Reggie Meeks (D) Louisville and Dr.David Pollack Director of the Kentucky Heritage Council. A Native American Blog called the Kentucky Native American Politics claims the new chairperson Bruce Brading is a shady character that may be in some big trouble. Fletcher sure looks like he may have screwed up big this time.

This story could blow up in Fletcher's face if the allegations made by the Native American Blog is true. Fletcher is apparently making some more appointments to boards and commission over the next month. I guess that's what they call 11th hour and mid-night appointments. He is apparently so desperate for votes he is willing to turn the screws on Native Americans in Kentucky for votes. I hope this does blow up into a big deal and I will laugh my ass off when Fletcher tries to explain his way out of it. I am starting to believe Fletcher just can not do anything right.

I will follow this story for a while and see what happens.

From the Kentucky Native American Politics

New Heritage Commission Chair involved in alleged illegal activity

In a widely circulated E-mail Mr. Brading and others (presumably Marty Martin as COWUC president)were alleged to have been involved in highly illegal activity that goes directly against all Federal, State, and Local Laws. It also violates the sacred trust we have with our ancestors. If this is even partially true then it is time to make your voices heard at the state capital!

The e-mail reads in part
"Bruce and his group are currently receiving human remains from folks throughout the state, transporting these remains, and reburying them. All of these activities are in violation of current Kentucky statutes. One of my concerns is that while many of these remains may have been found at prehistoric archaeological sites other may have been found at historic cemeteries and still others may be recent murder victims. A good way to get ride of the remains of someone you killed years ago would be to contact Bruce, and tell him that you found them at an archaeological site. He would then take the remains and rebury them somewhere else.

I want to assure you and others that neither I nor anyone else at the Heritage Council would have ever designated COWUC as the sole representatives of the native american community in Kentucky.

David Pollack
Kentucky Heritage Council Site Protection and
Archaeology Program Administrator, and
Director, Kentucky Archaeological Survey"




Lost Cherokee

[lostcherokee]

Here is there latest news letter
http://www.southerncherokeenation.net/march_2008_newsletter.htm

Osiyo Brothers and Sisters,
                       As you know we have the remains returned to us-we will be reinturring them on April 5th at 2pm at my families cemetery in Reed, Ky.  There are four of our Chiefs already buried there.  If anyone wished to attend you are more than welcome-it is a very sacred event.  If you wish to bring items to put in the burial -cedar, tobacco or beadwork or anything sacred to you to send with our beloved ancestors.  These offerings will be welcome.  Eagle, Owl, and Hawk feathers will be offered also.  Part of the states request was that they be placed in a perpitual graveyard.  There are seven individuals that will be placed in one communal grave.  If you cannot attend you may send whatever you would like to have interred and we will make sure that your wishes are carried out.
                      We would also like to let you know all of the documents that goes to the BIA have been sent to our court clerk (Sunhawk Woman) to record  them and she will send them onto the BIA for registration.  I must let you know we are under the EYES of the BIA-we must behave ourselves as the true Cherokee People we are,  Make no mistake their EYES are upon us all.  I am sure the Government will have many more hoops for us to jump through and we must follow their rules and we will do so.  There are roughly 1150 of us.  Let us all stand as one, One Nation under the Creator.  I believe we will accomplish all of our goals.  Again you can reach us at #270-546-2868 or our e-mail is manfoxscn@yahoo.com .
                      As you may not know two Bills have passed the House of Reps concerning State Recognition.  They will now go before the Kentucky Senate, hopefully they will pass the Senate, then the Bills will go before our governor.  Please let the Kentucky Senate and the Governor hear from all of us.  The old saying is the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
                                                                                 Smoke and Prayers,
                                                                                  Chief Manfox

WE ARE THE ONLY SOUTHERN CHEROKEE NATION

We are not affiliated with any group calling themselves Southern Cherokee

Copyright © 2005-2008 Southern Cherokee Nation Kentucky, All Rights Reserved

I havent found anything on new bills but havent had time to look.
Then you have to take time to consider that bruce brading,ken phillips is part of the heritage commission .That about says it all with them 2 they are up to there eyes with bingo troubles

Lost Cherokee

[V Hawkins]

I have spent a great deal of time researching Kentucky, from before its founding to the present -- and there never was a Cherokee presense in Kentucky except hunting or war parties, and one bunch went westward into Oklahoma through part of Kentucky on the "Trail of Tears" -- but other than those temporary times and events -- the Cherokee were NOT in Kentucky.

Any group other than the Cherokee Nation (based in Tahlequah), and the Eastern Band (based in NC) and the "Keetoowah Band" (also based out of Tahlequah) is NOT federally recognized. There are several state recognized groups and one of them (Etowah based out of Lawrence, Winston and Walker Co's in Alabama) has been PROVEN to have used false imformation in order to receive state recognition.

All the other groups are people who "might have" some Indian blood, perhaps Cherokee, perhaps not. Many eastern woodlands tribes just dissapeared from history at one point. Average members want to reassert some "Indianness" in their daily lives, and fall prey to charlitans with fake tribes who will "make them a member of their tribe".  They tell them what they want to hear.

vh

[lostcherokee]

i wouldnt go as so far as to say there has never been a presense in ky  books dont tell you everthing