Unfortunately, Sequoia's colleague's history of the Cherokee was destroyed in a courthouse fire during the Civil War. Some of the Cherokee ancient historical traditions are repeated and placed accurately in time in my own book "Man and Impact in the Americas", but again, it is limited, as unfortunately our best source was lost.
The guidebooks to public Cherokee sites are mentioned there as well, and those guidebooks contain reliable conquest era history and culture.
Hi Vance,
I'm sorry I can't remember Sequoyah's friend's name - this is quite frustrating for me, but I had a stroke. I believe I read the account of his history in the museum at Cherokee in the Qualla lands, there on the river. If you're near there, I would go there and check.
He wrote it in response to David Cusick's "Sketches of the Ancient History of the Six Nations" which is reliable back to 10,900 BCE, and pretty much continuous. That would seem to me to have any Cherokee history beat, to my knowledge.
I've been looking for Cherokee accounts of the comet impacts at the start of the Holocene, and haven't found them yet. If you can help, it would be appreciated.
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas
http://archives.zinester.com/40491/130720.html
What are you talking about E.P Grondine? Reliable back to 10,900 BC? That’s a pretty bold statement.
Well, it is remarkable, and true. The Five Nations remembered the Holocene Start comet impacts. The Shawnee, Tuscarora, Sioux, Lenape and several of the Central American peoples did as well.
I never heard of Sequoyah’s’s colleague’s history either?
I suggest to you the same thing I did earlier, go to the museum in the Qualla lands.
Where exactly did you get your information for “Cherokee Ancient Historical Traditions” in your book? And what do you mean your best sources were lost?
What I said was that the best source was lost, the history of Sequoya's colleague. The sources for the traditions I passed on are always fully cited.
I looked at the website for your book and is says you’re a “Near Earth Object researcher”? What exactly do you talk about in your book regarding Cherokees?
The website for my book is at amazon.com, not the link you posted. The guys at yowusa were a chuckle. I kept telling them that nothing was going to hit in 2012, and that there was no "PlanetX" but they kept on insisting that it was so. Go and listen for yourself. You'll notice the contrast, particularly between what I said and their commercials.
Excuse my spelling, its late at night and I'm tired. Tlanwha, uktena - the upper ones, not the lower ones with the crystals (you would have to pm me some other time for information on that); the actual identities of the Tsunighul and the Nunehi; the "Legend of the Bald Mountains"; the battle with the Kushita and the alliance with the Appalachi; the battle with the Catawba and the alliance with the Ocanachee.
And Native Americans? What’s your sources?
I’m sorry about your stroke and wish you well. But you don’t seem to be able to back up any of your statements.
I gifted copies of my book to major depositories, so you can read it for free through interlibrary loan, and check the citations for each source. I can't retype the whole of it here for you. It's 465 pages of small type.
I would ask Traditional People in Oklahoma or NC about the comets? I wouldn't rely on New Agers books or websites. Like VHawkings points out. "Lots of false information out there pertaining to Cherokees.
I always went to the earliest reliable recording of traditions which I could find. There is nothing "nuage" in my book. Period.
Its simply that the impact events were memorable, and demonstrated in the archaeological record, and thus provide a way to place the traditions accurately in time and space, whenever the traditions which remembered them survived.
I hope that the next time I go to Oklahoma, it will be to work on the Shawnee "Principal Narrative".
E.P. Grondine
Man and Impact in the Americas
